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| Naks Member Since: 27 Jan 2009 Location: Stellenbosch, ZA Posts: 2597   
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"Enhanced Off-Road & Performance Gauges."
I've never seen these in a 2.2  --
2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear 2015 Range Rover Sport V8 Supercharged 
Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9 Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ |
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6th Mar 2024 11:26am |
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| Landy addict Member Since: 03 Dec 2022 Location: Argyll Posts: 44 
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It isn’t on a display on the Defender but it looks like this unit can activate it from the Land Rover system to use it on its own screen as below shows, I think that is how it works could it be that the software is in there for other models such as Range Rover or Discovery in the Land Rover
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6th Mar 2024 11:57am |
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| Zed Member Since: 07 Oct 2017 Location: In the woods Posts: 3025  
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I mentioned this on the other thread. https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic90257-15.html Stinger are no longer advertising the OBD2 function as compatible with Defenders because they are having so many problems with it. Pre 2011 won’t work at all with OBD2. Some post 2011 vehicles have the features, but not all and they don’t know why. As for the off-road data, my guess is that is gathered from the head unit and not OBD2. It should be easy enough to check the specs to find out. WARNING. This post may contain sarcasm. Last edited by Zed on 7th Mar 2024 3:21pm. Edited 1 time in total |
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6th Mar 2024 2:13pm |
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| Landy addict Member Since: 03 Dec 2022 Location: Argyll Posts: 44
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Thanks just read that post didn’t see that earlier
 when I was trying to search for info, so many subjects on this forum that’s what makes it a great forum. For guy’s like me it’s not so easy to find stuff especially when I don’t really know what I am looking for  . I do like the look of the unit & think it would make it easier to see information without taking eyes off the road too much. Was hopeful that someone might know how to update my Defender to the same as the post 2011 Defender |
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6th Mar 2024 2:26pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 19604
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That’s the Stinger unit, it does connect to the OBD2 as I’ve seen that in the specs.
It will fit the 2.4 and the 2.2, the 2.2 has a different connection plug to the rear as the 2.4 is DIN ISO and the 2.2 has its own fitting, can get an adaptor for to DIN ISO. I’d imagine the 2.2 connector has other transmissible data. I was under the impression the head would be connected to a DIN ISO connector, and additional connector down to the OBD2 for both the 2.4 and 2.2. I am assuming here that the 2.4 07 to 12 version is DIN ISO, and OBD2 And the 2.2 12 to 16 version dedicated connection for a 2.2 plug and play, and OBD2. Remember here that the OBD2 is a separate connector to the HU connector, of which the latter here is different between the 2.4 and 2.2. I’d imagine that the difference is because of the LR OBD2 system, rather than the unit. Can anyone confirm what live data the 2.4 has? Evidently the 2.2 has it. Is there any kind of bug due to remaps, perhaps it is based on LR data map? Pete @ BAS or Gary @ Alive can likely confirm, I’d imagine OBD2 live data is different though separate to performance tuning. Diesel$ Live$ Matter. ⛽️🛢️👨🔧🧰⚙️ RED, WHITE & BOOST! 🇬🇧 |
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6th Mar 2024 10:21pm |
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| Leamreject Member Since: 19 Dec 2020 Location: Middle Earth - Leamington Spa Posts: 956  
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I understand that Land Rover fitted a different wiring loom (Apparently more reliable) on all Defenders post 2012 I think the Puma 2.2 might have been the key identifier as to which derivative. Ride like you stole it!!
If I’m not on a bike it’s because only a 4x4 will do… 2011 2.4 Puma 90 HT |
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7th Mar 2024 3:15pm |
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| Landy addict Member Since: 03 Dec 2022 Location: Argyll Posts: 44
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That is a lot of info I don’t really understand  So from what I understand you are saying there is a connection difference between the 2 production dates, does this mean that the software might be the same |
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8th Mar 2024 12:38pm |
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| macfrank Member Since: 05 Nov 2015 Location: somewhere in the north Posts: 996  
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Basically:
a) To connect the unit to power supply and loudspeakers there is a connector in the loom behind the radio. That connector has changed at some point (from a standardised ISO type to a Ford-specific type which you can get an ISO adapter for) b) Everything in your first photo can be calculated by any modern smartphone (GPS, accelerometers) c) Everything in your second photo requires reading values from the car's systems. That's done via the OBD2 connector under the steering wheel. While the connector itself is always the same, some measurement values are standardised but other may differ between models. Only c) may require a different software (or one version which can handle the variants). |
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8th Mar 2024 8:09pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 19604
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^^^^ This.
The connector behind the centre dash for the head unit / radio changed in 2012 which is when the 2.2 came in. 2007 to 12’ is DIN ISO which is industry standard for aftermarket Head Units and radios so plugs straight in. 2012 to 2016 LR fitted a connector of their own (grey plug), you can’t just plug into this, you can fit an adaptor to convert it back to DIN ISO, and thus then fit straight in an aftermarket head unit. I’d imagine Stinger either include an adaptor for 12’ to 16’ years, or the system has a plug in socket or plug that plugs straight in for that year. As mentioned, OBD2 plug is in a separate location. Which connections does the 2.2’s grey plugs have? Is it power and speaker connections the same as DIN ISO or does it have other connections? I’m assuming it’s only audio and audio power related. Diesel$ Live$ Matter. ⛽️🛢️👨🔧🧰⚙️ RED, WHITE & BOOST! 🇬🇧 |
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8th Mar 2024 8:26pm |
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| macfrank Member Since: 05 Nov 2015 Location: somewhere in the north Posts: 996
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>Which connections does the 2.2’s grey plugs have?
Same as ISO. This is the adaptor:
The connector in situ: Click image to enlarge and removed - left to car, right to radio Click image to enlarge |
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8th Mar 2024 8:50pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 19604
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Looks to be audio dedicated, power and speaker connections, so the other data is picked up from the ODB2 socket it seems for both 2.2 and 2.4 I’d imagine.
Pics are useful for anyone wondering what a 2.2 adaptor looks like.  Diesel$ Live$ Matter. ⛽️🛢️👨🔧🧰⚙️ RED, WHITE & BOOST! 🇬🇧 |
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8th Mar 2024 9:24pm |
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| Landy addict Member Since: 03 Dec 2022 Location: Argyll Posts: 44
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So I have these ISO I’m guessing, so jus need to find the OBD2 now
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8th Mar 2024 10:19pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 19604
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Yes, that’s DIN ISO 2.4 TDCI yrs 2007 to 2012 which plugs directly into nearly all aftermarket head unit / radios directly.
One plug is primary power, the other speaker connections. Diesel$ Live$ Matter. ⛽️🛢️👨🔧🧰⚙️ RED, WHITE & BOOST! 🇬🇧 |
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9th Mar 2024 1:32pm |
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| macfrank Member Since: 05 Nov 2015 Location: somewhere in the north Posts: 996
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As I said: fuse box under the steering wheel. |
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9th Mar 2024 4:52pm |
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