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lightning

Member Since: 23 Apr 2009
Location: High Peak, Derbyshire
Posts: 2247

lt comes over as negative.
It's actually the most uniformly negative feedback about the new Defender l have ever read. Even the hardened Land Rover enthusiasts on Landyzone (no L663 section on that forum) were more positive than you!

You don't work at lneos R&D by any chance?

However
Having said all that, l am to a point in agreement with you, that the new Defender isn't the old Defender by a long shot. But l think it's a good evolution.

lf only Land Rover had built a Suzuki Jimny, only larger. Suzuki seemed to have managed to mix old and new without too many compromises, and they did it for under £20,000

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1st Mar 2024 5:17pm

johnlad

Member Since: 18 Dec 2023
Location: Blackpool
Posts: 31

Here’s my new and old

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1st Mar 2024 5:35pm

TexasRover

Member Since: 24 Nov 2022
Location: Paris
Posts: 796

2002 Defender 110 Td5 DCPU Chawton White

Chicken Drumstick wrote:
TexasRover wrote:
Just like all retro design.

But it isn't a retro design, its not as if Rover stopped making the model in the 50s or that there was a radical design departure 40+ years ago. The old model was on sale right up until 2016, the new model was only 4 year later and would have been under design while the old was still being built.

How was it any different from the transition between the old and the new mini, or the beetle for that matter. They used (milked) the original design for design clues and then built a completely different modern car.

James May once dismissed retro designs as cheap and cowardly. You should really admire the designers that create true new iconic designs.

1st Mar 2024 6:02pm

Retroanaconda

Member Since: 04 Jan 2012
Location: Scotland
Posts: 2552

Chicken Drumstick wrote:
as you own one, you (and many others) are then biased in trying to justify how it does resemble the old one. Even though it doesn't.

It a way it is rather like the Monty Python dead parrot clip. Completel and utter refusal to accept the facts, even when starring them directly in the face.

You have posted your opinions, not facts. I think there are numerous styling references both internally and externally. You obviously don’t. Ownership has nothing to do with it.

None so blind as those who will not see etc.

To claim that the old model was continuously updated is farcical at best. A 2016 110 is basically the same car as a 1983 110, just with a different drivetrain and interior.

1st Mar 2024 6:44pm

lightning

Member Since: 23 Apr 2009
Location: High Peak, Derbyshire
Posts: 2247

johnlad wrote:
Here’s my new and old

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Love both your vehicles! Having both (old and new) is the way to go if you can do it. l wish l could have kept my old one but l had nowhere to store it.

Our garage will barely fit the Suzuki Jimny and that's 3/4 the size of a Defender.

2nd Mar 2024 11:03am

lightning

Member Since: 23 Apr 2009
Location: High Peak, Derbyshire
Posts: 2247

"To claim that the old model was continuously updated is farcical at best. A 2016 110 is basically the same car as a 1983 110, just with a different drivetrain and interior.[/quote]"

That's not entirely fair, although the last really big upgrade was the change to coil springs back in 1983.

The Land Rover 90, later Defender, was continually refined over the years. For instance the TD5 is a lot less "agricultural" to drive than the previous 300tdi.

It's not just the engine.Refinement generally was improved (well, compared to the previous model. lt was still a tractor) The Puma engine version is better still for those who want to use it on the road.

There were various improvements, better doors, one piece tailgate, heated seats and electric windows, heated screen, reasonable audio system etc.

Many people say that Land Rover "could have done so much more with it" But they did. lt was called "Discovery" (1/2) and was basically a Defender SUV.
Same underpinnings but designed to work on road as a family vehicle.

2nd Mar 2024 12:00pm

100inch

Member Since: 15 May 2012
Location: Brunswick
Posts: 407

2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 CSW Santorini Black

Mr Fox wrote:
The Drumstick joined the forum with a "Pretender" post and seems to only know one tune.

We get it, you don't like it.

Maybe admin could have a word with him? It is an ongoing thing and he doesn't seem to get the message. m

2nd Mar 2024 9:56pm

johnlad

Member Since: 18 Dec 2023
Location: Blackpool
Posts: 31

I’m pretty sure the Drumstick is the same character as 300/bhp ton from Landyzone.
Where he spouts the same stuff. Seems too much of a coincidence as there both from close to Milton Keynes and preach the same gospel about the Grenadier

2nd Mar 2024 11:30pm

Moo

Member Since: 01 Oct 2021
Location: Bath
Posts: 1035

I wouldn't stress. You get them on every forum. As far as they are concerned, once the wheel was invented, all progress stopped and no amount of evidence and debate will convince them to the contrary

More positively, love johnlad's green 90 above.

Eiger Grey MY23 D250 SE with bits. Known as Noddy.

3rd Mar 2024 10:09am

lightning

Member Since: 23 Apr 2009
Location: High Peak, Derbyshire
Posts: 2247

He's allowed to dislike the new Defender if he wants, but maybe stick to the old Defender forum ?

l would say, show me your better Defender design that includes all the safety requirements including pedestrian impact mitigation and environmental needs.

For instance, the platform will need to support a fully electric drivetrain. The Suzuki Jimny is the nearest to an old Defender, and it's cheap. Sadly emissions have killed it off in the U.K. but the new five door version would be a genuine contender.

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3rd Mar 2024 2:09pm

Dave S

Member Since: 26 Aug 2020
Location: Dungannon
Posts: 67

2012 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Orkney Grey

My new one is the 10th Defender I have owned. Just could not find it in me to part with the 9th one so it has stayed. I wasn't convinced when the new model was launched but after a test drive my mind was made up. It replaced a 4.8 petrol V8 Porsche Cayenne - superb driving vehicle - and is a completely different driving experience. In my humble opinion Land Rover have got it right. The interior is such a great place to be and the driving experience sublime. The 3.0 litre D250 and auto box works very well. Even a grumpy old git like myself has to move on once in a while!

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4th Mar 2024 8:47am

lightning

Member Since: 23 Apr 2009
Location: High Peak, Derbyshire
Posts: 2247

Great pair of vehicles you have there! Easier to make a comparison when you have both on your drive.

4th Mar 2024 9:29am

Moo

Member Since: 01 Oct 2021
Location: Bath
Posts: 1035

Nice. I agree with you that the D250 is a cracking engine and that Land Rover got it right, I just wish they'd done the same with the D4 replacement. Eiger Grey MY23 D250 SE with bits. Known as Noddy.

4th Mar 2024 9:53am

Dave S

Member Since: 26 Aug 2020
Location: Dungannon
Posts: 67

Thank you for your kind replys. Much appreciated.

4th Mar 2024 1:41pm

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