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| BrickBox Member Since: 05 Oct 2021 Location: Wales Posts: 1092   
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I’m questioning myself now, but I assumed all Pumas came with Anti Roll Bars, regardless of spec? 2017 5.0 V8 Supercharged RRS SVR
2008 2.4 110 Utility Station Wagon XS. |
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23rd Sep 2025 8:48pm |
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| jst Member Since: 14 Jan 2008 Location: Taunton Posts: 8450  
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its it and miss, some meant to have them dont, and vica versa.
Yes is my opinion, the front making the most difference. Cheers James 110 2010 XS Utility 130 2011 M57 bespoke Camper 90 2010 Hardtop 90 M57 1988 Hardtop |
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23rd Sep 2025 8:50pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17990  
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No, as a broad rule the 'domesticated' vehicles had them but the commercial oriented ones didn't, for example my 2007 110 County-spec didn't have them.
I subsequently have fitted a standard front anti-roll bar and an X-Engineering disconnectable rear bar and the combination massively reduces the body roll that results from a 3-tonne vehicle with a heavy expedition rack, roof tent, etc. |
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23rd Sep 2025 10:44pm |
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| Linds Hanson Member Since: 16 Jan 2021 Location: Cornwall Posts: 536
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Land Rover in there wisdom disputed the fitment of ARB's on RRC for many years when the likes of Warwick Banks and Harvey Bailey produced kits. Technically there is some weight to the argument a correctly set up suspension system shouldn't need ARB's, and one without definitely reacts to single wheel deflections and potholes better and has much freer axle articulation with less body bump reaction off road. However they gave in initially with the One Ten SW with just a small rear bar to stabilise the effects of a rear centre mounted Boge self levelling unit around 1982 Then eventually producing a front and rear setup for RRC around 1989 and even producing a retrofit kit for older vehicles! The Defender ended up with the same spec ARB's around 1994 initially just rear on 110 and front and rear on 90 SW Then later front and rear on all models. Unfortunately the LR spec is to use a thick 25mm front bar and thin 19mm rear this is effectively the complete opposite to the setup proved by Warwick Banks and HBE many years previously both having experience in motor racing and handling improvements for Rolls/Bentley. So the LR setup using old RRC parts does control roll but the thick front bar induces understeer and lifeless steering with poor turn in. If you look under a Bowler, Twisted or Overfinch Defender you will see the thin front/thick rear bar setup pioneered in the 80's by Warwick and Harvey!
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24th Sep 2025 6:11pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20998
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They do correct a bit of body roll, but that would kick in on bends if you were going a little quicker than you should, so probably best to slow down a bit in that case anyway so that body roll wouldn’t be of any significant concern anyway.
They do reduce articulation though, but that has never been a problem to me. Mine has them front and rear. For road use, I think it’s a good thing to have them, the off road compromise is little really, perhaps only affects extreme articulation, and by that stage you’d be at risk of unseating a spring, so in that respect that helps prevent that. ____\We|Will|Win/___ ____/🇬🇧🇺🇸\____ _//*⛽️🛢️⚙️🧰*\\_ |
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24th Sep 2025 7:43pm |
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| hank Member Since: 12 Sep 2016 Location: South Wales Posts: 2362
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I retro-fitted OE ARB's front and rear to my 110 DCPU (commercial). Made a hell of a difference to its road going manners. Think I have read the upgrade front bar is worth considering too if your budget stretches > 110 XS Double Cab
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24th Sep 2025 8:23pm |
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| Dinnu Member Since: 24 Dec 2019 Location: Lija Posts: 3635  
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My tdci came with factory ARBs. After removing the front ARB, the ride became a bit less harsh over less smooth roads at the price is a bit of body roll. I do not think I ever tried running without the rear. 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing
2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black |
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24th Sep 2025 9:44pm |
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| jst Member Since: 14 Jan 2008 Location: Taunton Posts: 8450
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I use my 110 for off road driver training. Initially I removed the factory fitted arb for better articulation. They were subsequently refitted 5 years or so later. No real difference seen off road when set against the advantage they gave on road. Thick front, thinner rear. They have been on since, that was 8 or so years ago.
My 130 came without Arbs. I has a Std 25mm front fitted now and started with a 19mm rear, which wasn't that great on that particular vehicle, upgraded to 32mm rear and its much nice to drive. Cheers James 110 2010 XS Utility 130 2011 M57 bespoke Camper 90 2010 Hardtop 90 M57 1988 Hardtop |
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24th Sep 2025 10:07pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17990
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The ARB setup on mine (standard front, extra-thick rear) makes a huge difference on the road, to the point where running with the rear disconnected becomes quite disturbing. This is not driving like a nutter (I don't!), just driving normally at traffic speeds. I do however have a heavy 110, normally running around 2.9 tonnes, with a Patriot rack and roof-tent up top. Before I fitted the rack I didn't worry about no ARBs, the rack made ARBs highly desirable. |
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24th Sep 2025 10:28pm |
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| jst Member Since: 14 Jan 2008 Location: Taunton Posts: 8450
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I run my 90 front std arb only, it has a rack but only kayaks up top so not weight the 130 has up there. Seems to work well for 90.
130 is heavy, near gvw with fair weight upto, arms were game changing. Again jist normal driving. Can't say I have ever felt an arb kick in as it were more so a progressive reduction in body rolse rather than any sudden kick in. Cheers James 110 2010 XS Utility 130 2011 M57 bespoke Camper 90 2010 Hardtop 90 M57 1988 Hardtop |
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25th Sep 2025 8:57am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17990
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I didn't understand the "kick in" comment since it is not technically possible with a passive anti-roll bar set up (I suppose it might be possible with a Disco2 with a malfunction). It only seemed to make sense if the words "kick in" were replaced with "have an effect".
I was commenting on the body roll aspect, since on my vehicle with all its tophamper the effect was considerable and beneficial, and certainly effective at speeds well below "going a little quicker than you should". The X-Engineering disconnectable rear bar has really no downside (other then price and the need for occasional servicing of the FWH) since it is there when you want it and absent when you don't want it. I would have liked to get my hands on one of the Australian kits which includes both front and rear disconnectable bars but there don't seem to be any UK importers and the costs appeared prohibitive. |
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25th Sep 2025 9:31am |
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| hank Member Since: 12 Sep 2016 Location: South Wales Posts: 2362
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Interesting. I always thought it was the thicker upgrade front that was the one to go for. I have a thicker rear ARB in the shed, will give it a try > 110 XS Double Cab |
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25th Sep 2025 5:30pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17990
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I've never tried a thicker than standard front ARB so can't compare it with the X-Eng rear.
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25th Sep 2025 5:58pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20998
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IIRC there is an Eibach one that’s a bit thicker dia. So a bit stiffer.
I’ve not heard of anyone who has those though, I think it might be Alive that sells them possibly. ____\We|Will|Win/___ ____/🇬🇧🇺🇸\____ _//*⛽️🛢️⚙️🧰*\\_ Last edited by custom90 on 26th Sep 2025 5:58pm. Edited 1 time in total |
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