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Dorothy

Member Since: 14 Sep 2020
Location: East Sussex
Posts: 52

2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Orkney Grey

2013 Puma 110 Rear Propshaft Play?

2013 Puma 110 getting a bit clunky. Had a waggle of the rear prop with the handbrake off. Seems to be some lateral play and not sure if the rotation is excessive.

https://youtube.com/shorts/NV65gHoLSOI?feature=shared

With a little Cornish trip at the weekend I think it might be UJ time. Thoughts? Dorothy - 2001 Defender Special Vehicles TD5 Hardtop (Ex Scottish & Southern) Side Lockers, Side Hatches - Poorly chassis and bulkhead. (SORNd)
Ethel - 2013 Defender Puma Utility XS

20th May 2025 1:14pm

Ianh

Member Since: 17 Sep 2018
Location: Essex
Posts: 2394

The UJ needs replacing, before you go.. the movement on the diff flange is a bit high, however I expect the slack is in your rear drive shaft flanges. You can check this easily, lots of topics on here on that.

If you have not done the UJs before it can be very time consuming. You will need the right tools I.e big vice, quality circlip pliers, correct size sockets et, and you will want to do both UJs, not just one.

So if going this weekend and you only have a few hours to do the job order an upgraded prop from Gwyn Lewis if they can deliver on time (I would go for the Mega 2020 , but I do like heavy duty ). Expensive but if greased on a regular basis will last a lifetime. It will only take an hour to remove old and fit new prop, with new nuts and bolts.

PS get 9/16 prop removal tool.

As for drive shafts shafts, if flanges are worn then easier to replace with one piece shafts. LOF do a good set.

20th May 2025 1:31pm

landy andy

Member Since: 15 Feb 2009
Location: Ware, Herts
Posts: 5938

2006 Defender 110 Td5 USW Zermatt Silver

As said. That UJ is knackered. Time for new. Possibly the UJ the other end too.

How handy are you with the spanners?

20th May 2025 2:55pm

Dorothy

Member Since: 14 Sep 2020
Location: East Sussex
Posts: 52

Cheers, was thinking the same. I was going to look at the half-shaft splines too. I have a Propshaft tool and several grinders

so I may just have to dive in. GL stuff always comes well recommended. Might just be a bit spendy at £512 delivered right now. Better get the vice bolted down to something and at least get some UJs and new nuts and bolts ordered. Dorothy - 2001 Defender Special Vehicles TD5 Hardtop (Ex Scottish & Southern) Side Lockers, Side Hatches - Poorly chassis and bulkhead. (SORNd)
Ethel - 2013 Defender Puma Utility XS

20th May 2025 4:00pm

Ianh

Member Since: 17 Sep 2018
Location: Essex
Posts: 2394

Remember the bolts on the transfer case ends are captive, so careful with grinders etc else you will end up with more work..

Noting a scrub with a wire brush, followed by the application of some plusgas, a ten minutes tea break and the use of a 6 point 9/16 ring spanner and the 9/16 prop tool will ensure nuts and non captive bolts all come off ok.

Worth checking front prop UJ’s before you order new rear ones... the may be fubar as well.

20th May 2025 4:22pm

Dorothy

Member Since: 14 Sep 2020
Location: East Sussex
Posts: 52

Noted. Bit of a slight upwards knock on the front rear UJ. Ordered a pair for now, Plus Gas readied. Youtube readied. Plasters readied. Dorothy - 2001 Defender Special Vehicles TD5 Hardtop (Ex Scottish & Southern) Side Lockers, Side Hatches - Poorly chassis and bulkhead. (SORNd)
Ethel - 2013 Defender Puma Utility XS

20th May 2025 5:33pm

Ianh

Member Since: 17 Sep 2018
Location: Essex
Posts: 2394

If you have children make sure they are on a day out, else when you are trying to remove the old UJs they will hear some extremely colourful language.

20th May 2025 5:47pm

Dorothy

Member Since: 14 Sep 2020
Location: East Sussex
Posts: 52

I've sent my daughter away now because we have recently moved and I can find my prop tool but not a 9/16 spanner. £&÷,'n hell. Dorothy - 2001 Defender Special Vehicles TD5 Hardtop (Ex Scottish & Southern) Side Lockers, Side Hatches - Poorly chassis and bulkhead. (SORNd)
Ethel - 2013 Defender Puma Utility XS

20th May 2025 6:51pm

Ianh

Member Since: 17 Sep 2018
Location: Essex
Posts: 2394

9/16 is 14.29mm. So you can try a 14mm first then if no good see if a 15mm is too loose. Else if you have a slim adjustable that might fit. All you need the spanner for is to hold the bolts on the diff flange while you undo the nut with the prop tool.

20th May 2025 8:23pm

Dorothy

Member Since: 14 Sep 2020
Location: East Sussex
Posts: 52

I shopped. Excellent YT video watched on the socket and vice method. We shall see. Having just given up trying to drill out 8 steel A2 hex bolts into my ALY patriot rack I expect this to be equally 'testing'. Dorothy - 2001 Defender Special Vehicles TD5 Hardtop (Ex Scottish & Southern) Side Lockers, Side Hatches - Poorly chassis and bulkhead. (SORNd)
Ethel - 2013 Defender Puma Utility XS

20th May 2025 9:14pm

landy andy

Member Since: 15 Feb 2009
Location: Ware, Herts
Posts: 5938

Just be careful when you do a UJ of all the little needle bearings in the caps. You don’t want them falling out, and going missing. A tub of grease, or a few pumps of grease into the caps will help hold them in place. Once prop is off you could always take to garage or engineer if you know one. Make sure the prop either doesn’t separate on its slider, or if it makes it easier to separate to mark the two parts so I goes back together as it was made, and balanced.

20th May 2025 9:26pm

Dorothy

Member Since: 14 Sep 2020
Location: East Sussex
Posts: 52

Cheers the vid mentioned to load the cups with grease to stop losing the needles. It also mentioned borrowing a hairy arm to assist with alignment when pushing the cups back in. I'll have to ask the Missus to stay off the immac for a day or two.

Dorothy - 2001 Defender Special Vehicles TD5 Hardtop (Ex Scottish & Southern) Side Lockers, Side Hatches - Poorly chassis and bulkhead. (SORNd)
Ethel - 2013 Defender Puma Utility XS

20th May 2025 9:43pm

Ianh

Member Since: 17 Sep 2018
Location: Essex
Posts: 2394

Dorothy wrote:
I shopped. Excellent YT video watched on the socket and vice method. We shall see. Having just given up trying to drill out 8 steel A2 hex bolts into my ALY patriot rack I expect this to be equally 'testing'.

Did you use carbide or cobalt drill bits for metal ? Standard HSS won’t drill hard steel like stainless.

20th May 2025 10:20pm

Dorothy

Member Since: 14 Sep 2020
Location: East Sussex
Posts: 52

A mixture! I've seen a tip to use tile drill bits, so I may give that a go. I was able to cut through well with smaller bits but then ran out of the right gear as I had to increase diameter. Pig of a job. Dorothy - 2001 Defender Special Vehicles TD5 Hardtop (Ex Scottish & Southern) Side Lockers, Side Hatches - Poorly chassis and bulkhead. (SORNd)
Ethel - 2013 Defender Puma Utility XS

21st May 2025 9:02am

landy andy

Member Since: 15 Feb 2009
Location: Ware, Herts
Posts: 5938

Ahhh. Brings back memories. I did some work for Patriot Racks, and remember the joy of SS fastenings galling on a brand new racks, and needing to sort it.

21st May 2025 9:13am

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