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| ZeDefender Member Since: 15 Sep 2011 Location: Munich Posts: 4731   
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Filled up with ridiculously expensive Shell V-Power Diesel for the last two tanks - no discernible increase in power, and fuel consumption was the same (actually worse) than with the standard grade. Back to the cheap stuff and 2-stroke then.
I know it's pathetic but I really thought there would be a difference 
Any other experiences? Matt Tell someone you love them today because life is short. But shout it at them in German because life is also terrifying and confusing... |
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27th Nov 2011 11:23pm |
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So now all our cars use BP ultimate 
| ZeDefender Member Since: 15 Sep 2011 Location: Munich Posts: 4731
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I'm slowly concluding that Shell aren't that great - BP are a bit further away but better consumption might make it worth it. Any observations about engine noise etc.? Tell someone you love them today because life is short. But shout it at them in German because life is also terrifying and confusing... |
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27th Nov 2011 11:33pm |
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| Lorryman100 Member Since: 01 Oct 2010 Location: Here Posts: 2686 |
Not really, average about 28mpg with the Alive tune on the defender using BP Ultimate Diesel. The other vehicles are petrol and are quiet enough already
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27th Nov 2011 11:35pm |
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| DefenderOfTheEarth Member Since: 09 Nov 2010 Location: Cornwall, UK Posts: 1304  
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I too am deeply unconvinced by these premium fuels having tried them (a few tanks - not just one) in the BM , a diesel Astra and the petrol stuff in a Golf R32. No discernible difference in performance or mpg.
I'd only use the premium petrol (not the diesel) in a very highly tuned turbo petrol car. Defender 110XS SW gone... now VW California 180 4 Motion. |
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27th Nov 2011 11:38pm |
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| Lorryman100 Member Since: 01 Oct 2010 Location: Here Posts: 2686 |
Need to use RON 97 in the cars as that is what they are tuned for.
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27th Nov 2011 11:39pm |
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| ZeDefender Member Since: 15 Sep 2011 Location: Munich Posts: 4731
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Hope to get my Alive improved a bit next week - brilliant in 1st to 4th but nasty judders in 5th and 6th between 1800 and 2200 rpm when going up hills or giving it some welly (not Puroforts ) Tell someone you love them today because life is short.
But shout it at them in German because life is also terrifying and confusing... |
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27th Nov 2011 11:40pm |
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| ZeDefender Member Since: 15 Sep 2011 Location: Munich Posts: 4731
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Being näive, and before I was lucky enough to own one, I always thought Defenders could run on anything! Doh! Tell someone you love them today because life is short. But shout it at them in German because life is also terrifying and confusing... |
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27th Nov 2011 11:43pm |
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| Stornaway90 Member Since: 28 Apr 2011 Location: Gods Country (Cornwall) Posts: 48 
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I'd only use the premium petrol (not the diesel) in a very highly tuned turbo petrol car.[/quote]
Being näive, and before I was lucky enough to own one, I always thought Defenders could run on anything! Doh![/quote] They can, for instance the Army LR's. They are designed to run-on absolutely anything. I am not saying they run well on poor quality fuel but the difference is they do run. Try 40% hydraulic oil mixed with regular diesel, LR Puma runs okay, on this mixture, transit van with essentially the same engine but tuned differently wouldn't even start. The moral of the story is, the better the quality of the fuel the better the performance result, you pay your money and take your chance.  One Life Live It, There Isn't Anything To Beat It, Even The Boss Agrees.
Defender 110 2012(XS) Defender 90 2011 (XS) Gone. Defender 90 2008 (County) Gone. Triumph Bonneville (SE) Gone. www.landywatch.co.uk |
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27th Nov 2011 11:52pm |
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| TJ101 Member Since: 30 May 2007 Location: Taunton Somerset Posts: 3747  
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Talking petrol here,
I have always used Shell in the rally cars, unless we have to use Fia fuel !!! Did a fun track down a while ago, and took some shell for refuelling etc,, bit had to search for some more fuel mid afternoon, and could only get BP,, made a big different, certainly a good increase in top end speed Always found premium diesel, never worth the extra California F1, 75th 110 "Kermit", 50th Ann V8, 90 V8 Hybrid, 55 Series 1 Main Brian James Trailer Dealer for South West UK |
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28th Nov 2011 12:05am |
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| ZeDefender Member Since: 15 Sep 2011 Location: Munich Posts: 4731
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Convinced
Cheers, Matt Tell someone you love them today because life is short. But shout it at them in German because life is also terrifying and confusing... |
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28th Nov 2011 12:27am |
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| RFT Member Since: 13 Nov 2010 Location: Cheshire Posts: 674 
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I do the same journey Chester to Broadhaven (Pembrokeshire) and return every 3 weeks or so, mostly late in the evening so little congestion, (184miles & 4hours of hard driving) BP Ultimate give 10% improvement in mpg and smoother drive, but what is really noticeable is the difference between Tesco stations, the one in Haverfordwest seems to deliver a smoother drive compared to up north Tescos, but no change in mpg.
It is not only the effect of the additives but also the % biodiesel that I believe effects the smoothness of the drive. As for V power all I can say is bag of hammers! 130 Puma HCPU with an Artica 240LR Demountable Camper |
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28th Nov 2011 1:23am |
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| Gil9713 Member Since: 11 Sep 2011 Location: Colchester Posts: 94
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This might be helpful sent to me by a mate in the fuel industry:
TIPS ON PUMPING FUEL I don't know what you are paying for petrol.... I am paying up to £1.35 to £1.50 per litre. My line of work as you know is in petroleum for about 31 years now, so here are some tricks to get more of your money's worth for every Litre: Here at the Shell Pipeline where I work , we deliver about 4 million litres in a 24-hour period .. One day is diesel the next day is jet fuel, and petrol, regular and premium grades. We have 34-storage tanks here with a total capacity of 16,800,000 Litres. Only buy or fill up your car or truck in the early morning when the ground temperature is still cold. Remember that all service stations have their storage tanks buried below ground. The colder the ground the more dense the petrol, when it gets warmer petrol expands, so buying in the afternoon or in the evening....your litre is not exactly a litre. In the petroleum business, the specific gravity and the temperature of the petrol, diesel and jet fuel, ethanol and other petroleum products plays an important role. A 1-degree rise in temperature is a big deal for this business. But the service stations do not have temperature compensation at the pumps. When you're filling up do not squeeze the trigger of the nozzle to a fast mode If you look you will see that the trigger has three (3) stages: low, middle, and high. You should be pumping on low mode, thereby minimizing the vapours that are created while you are pumping. All hoses at the pump have a vapour return. If you are pumping on the fast rate, some of the liquid that goes to your tank becomes vapour. Those vapours are being sucked up and back into the underground storage tank so you're getting less worth for your money. One of the most important tips is to fill up when your Petrol tank is HALF FULL. The reason for this is the more Petrol you have in your tank the less air occupying its empty space. petrol evaporates faster than you can imagine. petrol storage tanks have an internal floating roof. This roof serves as zero clearance between the Petrol and the atmosphere, so it minimizes the evaporation. Unlike service stations, here where I work, every truck that we load is temperature compensated so that every litre is actually the exact amount. Another reminder, if there is a petrol truck pumping into the storage tanks when you stop to buy Petrol, DO NOT fill up; most likely the petrol is being stirred up as the Petrol is being delivered, and you might pick up some of the dirt that normally settles on the bottom. Hope that helps someone who didn't know all this.......................Gil  |
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7th Dec 2011 1:55pm |
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| fekete Member Since: 24 Dec 2008 Location: Here on the other end of the computer Posts: 3626 
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Top post and it all make sense
NEVER TAKE LIFE SERIOUSLY. NOBODY GETS OUT ALIVE ANYWAY |
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7th Dec 2011 2:05pm |
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| Gil9713 Member Since: 11 Sep 2011 Location: Colchester Posts: 94
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and while I'm in the flow, so to speak..................did you know that the petrol gauge tells you which side the filler cap is on?
Very useful, if like me you drive odd vehicles from time to time. Indicated by an arrow on most vehicles or whichever side the filler pipe is on the symbol of a petrol pump. Happy days |
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7th Dec 2011 2:11pm |
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