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leeds



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Speed awareness course
About two weeks ago one of the dreaded brown envelopes turned up. Yes from local police, who was driving a96 Defender 110 at such and such time and place. Photographed doing 50 in a 40. Ooops Embarassed

Fair cop, yer 'onour. OK I was not concentrating, 60 going into a 40, dual carriageway dry clear day. Speed camera is about 200 metres inside the 40 zone and YES I know it is there.

So choice was 3 points and £60 and increased insurance, or £75, no points, no increased premiums but half a day of your time.

So I went along, not as boring as I thought it was going to be. About 50/50 men and women with the age range biased towards the older end.

IF and WHEN that dreaded brown envelope arrives, respond quickly and do the course as soon as possible. Keep your card clean for 3 years and if need be you can do a 'refresher' course.

You have 3 or 4 months to attend the course. I would suggest you book one as early as possible as the police can withdraw the offer at ANY time. So you leave attending the course as long as possible, get pingad again and it can be 6 points etc.

Of course us Puma drivers are good boys and girls and never break speed limits do we? Whistle


Brendan

PS I was in the 300 TDi!
Post #100722 18th Nov 2011 2:39pm
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iruffell



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Quote:
Of course us Puma drivers are good boys and girls and never break speed limits do we?


We can't normally go fast enough to break speed limits Laughing
Post #100723 18th Nov 2011 2:42pm
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twopoint6khz



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The solution to this is a 2.5 N/A engine, the only speed cameras you'll be setting off would be in 20mph limits
Post #100725 18th Nov 2011 2:46pm
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DefenderOfTheEarth



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I think I'd consider a speeding fine a badge of honour in a Defender Laughing Defender 110XS SW gone... now VW California 180 4 Motion.
Post #100729 18th Nov 2011 3:10pm
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T1G UP



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got a row with humber side police as they sent the letter,y the time they got my reply they changed there mind and said i had to go to court....34 in a 30 dual carriage way!
Post #100730 18th Nov 2011 3:10pm
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sc70



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friend of mine got stoped he was doing 35 in a 30.

His choice was points and fine or go in to the primary school he was stoped seeding past and stand infront of the kids and explain why he was speeding,if theres a next time he's taking the points he said it was awful standing in front of a bunch of 5 year old while the gave him the third degree.
Post #100771 18th Nov 2011 7:32pm
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Buzz



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Have done this to, 70 in a 60 on the A5 at Oswestry.

Was better than expected but as a advanced motorcycle rider I felt that they were bending the statistics to prove a point.

A lack of observation and anticipation skills seem to be the biggest issues.

I also noted most of the offenders were from offences in built up areas which is quite saddening.
Post #100780 18th Nov 2011 7:51pm
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Buzz



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Have done this to, 70 in a 60 on the A5 at Oswestry.

Was better than expected but as a advanced motorcycle rider I felt that they were bending the statistics to prove a point.

A lack of observation and anticipation skills seem to be the biggest issues.

I also noted most of the offenders were from offences in built up areas which is quite saddening.
Post #100784 18th Nov 2011 8:03pm
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leeds



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Buzz wrote:


I also noted most of the offenders were from offences in built up areas which is quite saddening.


Maybe due to most speed cameras being in built up areas?

One 4 mile stretch of road I know has 8 speed cameras on it. Oddly enough local resident have told me no major incidents. Further two miles up the road two primary school but no cameras. Where is the danger zone? Also most journeys are done in built up areas.

Yes you can use statistics to prove almost anything you want to.


Brendan
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Laurie



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I had the course option a few years ago.
Only problem was I was on holiday in North Wales at the time.
They insisted I took the course in North Wales - 600 mile round trip plus two nights B&B!
So I took the points and the fine.

One for the locals, one for the rest.....................
Post #100850 19th Nov 2011 3:08am
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xatzhs



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I had one earlier this year. 35 in a 30... Just wasn't concentrating on my speed - the same answer as nearly everyone who was asked 'Why were you speeding?'.

Was very surprised to note that I was one of (maybe) 2 or 3 under the age of 30... As it was nice and close, definitely worth avoiding the points IMHO.
Post #100851 19th Nov 2011 3:22am
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Glynparry25



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I think it is all older people because everyone under 30 has a satnav which warns them of all cameras- as a result they do speed, but never get caught!

When I was in Germany I got a letter for doing 70kmh in road works (temp 50kmh limit). It cost me a total of 60 euro (£40), no points or courses. I feel that is a much better system. The fine equates to many things such as where you are and how much you were doing... eg. just over the limit on a motorway in the middle of nowhere would be about £30-50...... Just over the limit in a residential area would be about £80-100...... Just over the limit in a school zone- get your suit out, you are going to court.

Glyn Dog Sheep
Post #100853 19th Nov 2011 6:54am
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leeds



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Speed in a work zone in Canada then penalty is doubled.

Work zone = road works coned off with proper signage etc.


Brendan
Post #100856 19th Nov 2011 7:20am
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Ads90



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Laurie wrote:
I had the course option a few years ago.
Only problem was I was on holiday in North Wales at the time.
They insisted I took the course in North Wales - 600 mile round trip plus two nights B&B!
So I took the points and the fine.

One for the locals, one for the rest.....................

This is ludicrous, but it's not a Wales/England thing...
My father in law had the same issue - caught in Bristol returning from dropping us off at the airport, and got the letter when he returned home to Cumbria - he asked if he could take the course more local & they said no.
No argument about the punishment, but to be expected to drive nearly 300 miles each way is ridiculous!
He took the points.
Post #100947 19th Nov 2011 1:20pm
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Buzz



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it's to do with the force area and how course funding works...
Post #100961 19th Nov 2011 3:04pm
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