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| rustandoil Member Since: 08 Sep 2012 Location: Cotswolds Posts: 685   
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I don't have a SW to compare to my DC, but I would say they are pretty much the same....based on my parts ordering experience, although the seat backs in the DC are bolted to the back of the cab
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6th Sep 2023 1:44pm |
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| camelman Member Since: 27 Feb 2013 Location: Peak District Posts: 3335 
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I don't believe there is as much leg room in the rear of a DC based on having sat in one....
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6th Sep 2023 1:57pm |
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| camelman Member Since: 27 Feb 2013 Location: Peak District Posts: 3335
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There is an old thread here on the issue
https://www.defender2.net/forum/post266025.html |
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6th Sep 2023 1:58pm |
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| DC101 Member Since: 01 Jul 2012 Location: Pudsey, West Yorkshire Posts: 249 
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Thanks.
The reason I’m asking is that I’m looking to upgrade near side rear seat (and I’ve already hijacked another thread!) I was interested to be told that the DC offers less rear leg room than the SW?? Cheers |
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6th Sep 2023 1:59pm |
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| TexasRover Member Since: 24 Nov 2022 Location: Paris Posts: 835  
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I have had both together at one point, still have the DCPU. The seats are identical apart from the DC has them bolted to the back wall with a bracket, so the seats are fixed, while the stationwagon has a release mechanism allowing you to fold the seats forward.
I know because to get to the back of the seats for stuff, I removed the release mechanism from the station wagon and retrofitted it to my DC. Now I can fold them which just gives you better access to the junk stored underneath the seats. You need to make a bracket to fit the mechanism so that is not a straight fit. The position of the seats and the seats themselves is the same. The DCPU is just a 110 with a bulkhead fitted and then a different rear end and roof. The doors etc are the same and the floors, in fact everything below the waste line is identical so are the rot spots. I happened to just have taken a picture of the bottom mount for a different thread here. Click image to enlarge |
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6th Sep 2023 2:46pm |
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| rustandoil Member Since: 08 Sep 2012 Location: Cotswolds Posts: 685
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Yes, but that thread refers to Puma....Puma rear seats and bracketry is different to TD5 |
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6th Sep 2023 2:48pm |
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| TexasRover Member Since: 24 Nov 2022 Location: Paris Posts: 835
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Yeah the rear seats on the Puma are completely reworked and different (better). I take it on the Puma 110 Station Wagon they moved the rear seats back on their mounts, and possibly they could not do that on the DCPU and they retained the 'original - Td5' position.
Are the new puma seats deeper maybe which makes it a tight fit on the Puma DCPU? On my Td5 DCPU the rear seating is perfectly fine to sit in for an adult, other than missing a darn headrest. At least on the DCPU you can slam the back of your head into the rear window to avoid whiplash? |
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6th Sep 2023 2:55pm |
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| camelman Member Since: 27 Feb 2013 Location: Peak District Posts: 3335
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6th Sep 2023 2:56pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 16975 
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On the Puma the second row seats are in the same place and essentially use the same bracketry on both SW and DC variants, the significant difference is that eh seats themselves on the DC are modified so that the backrest is more upright than it is on the SW. The bracket on the floor onto which the seat locks is also different since on the DC it doesn't fold flat, but dimensionally it is the same. The DC seatbacks also have wholly unnecessary brackets securing them to the rear of the cab, but these appear only be to stop the rattling noises. Remove these and the seats usefully tip like the SW version (and you can fill the space underneath with junk).
The reason that the two differ is that the rear panel of the cab would foul the upper part of the seatback and the head restraint if the backrest angle was the same. I am unfamiliar with the TD5 SW and DC but I am aware that the second row (shockingly) doesn't have head restraints so I imagine that there is a possibility that the problem does not exist, or is not so great. I shall leave the answering of that question to those who know. Just remember that the TD5 and Puma have entirely different seats and entirely different mounts. |
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6th Sep 2023 5:01pm |
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| kenzle8a Member Since: 12 Feb 2020 Location: None Posts: 1074 
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Having owned a td5 double cab (im 6’4) i wouldn’t want to sit in the back for long, i felt cramped enough doing some work on the roof lining.
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6th Sep 2023 9:46pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 16975
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The second row seating in any DC is only really suitable for people you hate....
... like kids, for example!  |
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6th Sep 2023 10:03pm |
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| TexasRover Member Since: 24 Nov 2022 Location: Paris Posts: 835
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Yet on the Td5 we established that it is physically not any different than the station wagon, so must be psychological then.
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7th Sep 2023 5:59am |
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| DC101 Member Since: 01 Jul 2012 Location: Pudsey, West Yorkshire Posts: 249
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Thank you for all of the replies and humour, and link to thread!
I am gearing up for a trip and have unexpectedly the potential of an additional passenger (will help with costs!) so was aspiring to carry out some change to the rear bench seat to try and make it more habitable/safer. Though having looked around the forums may not be possible….. One option I was looking at was the costly expense of a single Exmoor trim premium high back and sell on my return. However Exmoor trim said it makes a real difference in the back of a SW and not so the DC, so I couldn’t quite equate to what the difference was between the two body stiles in terms of seat position. I have also considered:- - Classic high back but doesn’t fit later TD5 bracketry - rear puma seat - but require new YRM set up for cross member and bracketry and to rework the wheel arch boxes (costly again!) - sell up and get a Discovery 2/3/4 (drastic!) For all the time I’ve had my 2003 DC, maybe at not fit for this purpose 😭 |
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7th Sep 2023 10:52am |
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| TexasRover Member Since: 24 Nov 2022 Location: Paris Posts: 835
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There is the Renault Scenic rear seat route to consider as well (I am not suggesting the car!). Apparently a good fit, but yes not standard. You can do a search here, there are some pictures.
I have a few too many cars including a 2003 Defender DCPU and a 2014 Discovery 4. If you are looking for comfort, safety, capability, cost of ownership and fuel efficiency the Discovery 4 wins hands down. Such a capable vehicle, it is my 4th (if I add a Disco 3, which is the same). Yet I like driving my Defender more because it is a more pure experience and, face it, most people like the look too. Let's just say people know me in the village because of the Defender, not the Disco (or Beemer, or Peugeot). |
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7th Sep 2023 11:33am |
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