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Tim in Scotland



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Interesting road test of the Toyota Mirai Hydrogen FC car
TeslaBjorn on YouTube has been road testing the latest Toyota Mirai Hydrogen FC car - the running cost is scary and the efficiency compared to diesel and Tesla M3 dire. I cannot see how Land Rover could be considering that this is the future fuel for 4x4’s and big off-road capable SUV’s. It appears that HFC has only one advantage over EV’s and ICE vehicles - it’s much much quicker to refuel………. But then you may have to wait for the reservoir at the “Gas station” to recompress the H if you are filling up soon after another hydrogen powered vehicle has just left the station…..

Begs the question is this really the future energy for vehicles?
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And where does Japan's Hydrogen come from ........... Australia !!!

Shipped by water in huge vessels carrying massive cylinders.

"Earlier this year, Japan and Australia opened a joint project in the state of Victoria to turn a type of coal called lignite, or brown coal, into hydrogen. The hydrogen is then liquified to minus 253C, then piped into a specially built ship which carries it to Japan."


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synthetic fuels will cover most of our needs I would bet.
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At what cost to your wallet though?
I’ve just made a 51 mile round trip from rural Trossachs through Glasgow to Braehead and back, averaged 5.1 miles per kWh which gives a petrol equivalent of 204mpgE and, and as my solar panels used to charge it up yesterday are now cost recovered, that was not just emissions free but also cost free……… OK so it wasn’t a Land Rover PHEV but a Mini Cooper S E but had I had a new £105000 RRS PHEV I could have possibly made the trip bar the last few miles in pure electric mode, the Mini suits my single person electrified shopping trolley, very zippy skateboard to a T! Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come
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Driver’s summary after 1 week
TeslaBjorn has been driving the Mirai on various test roads he uses for a week and here is his rather long summary video (40 minutes long!) but it is worth watching to the end to see how the infrastructure is vastly more expensive to install, the cost of the fuel is about double and the efficiency of the fuel (or as one commentator calls it in the remarks/comments - Fool ) cell is not very good. While the refueling act itself is fast the delivery plant is very restricted in the number of cars it can fill up in a compressing/decompressing cycle - approx 5 cars then the plant has to shut down to turn enough liquid hydrogen back to gas. Most interesting is the bit where he visits the Oslo Bus Co depot and compares the cost of building their electric charge hub to the cost of building a hydrogen station.

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I havn't watched the vid yet, but I think we can safely say that hydrogen is not going to be practical for passenger cars, aside from everything else the inefficiencies of production of green hydrogen mean it shouldn't even be considered.
It's not going to be piped to your house to replace gas either, for that reason and because it can't go down the existing pipe network.
It may be some use for heavy vehicles, plant or shipping, where electric isn't yet viable.
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