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| MK Member Since: 28 Aug 2008 Location: Santiago Posts: 2262   
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some users here have 2.4 tdci´s with 300-400 kkm on the clock. I guess most of these engines will pass the 250 kkm. I am sure some have blown their engines much sooner than that. Puma 110" SW
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15th Aug 2023 12:07am |
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| LR90XS2011 Member Since: 05 Apr 2011 Location: bickenhill Posts: 3614  
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there is a high mileage thread on here somewhere DEFENDER 90 TDCI XS,
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15th Aug 2023 6:14am |
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| Dinnu Member Since: 24 Dec 2019 Location: Lija Posts: 3210  
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Irrespective of engine life and durability, getting the £21,000 will leave you with at least £14,000 in your pocket which is more than enough to replace the engine and buy some proper diffs.
I see that with engines, from any manufacturer, there had been constant improvement up to late 90s, early 2000s, after which reliability started to drop off again. Maybe caused by the drive to make them more economical, lighter and cheaper, or perhaps the added emissions control. Keep also in mind... that most would post about issues on their engines / Defender. Very rarely people post on how reliable it has been. When I bought my last Defender, a 2.2, it was already over 100k, and the engine/mechanicals where at the bottom of my check list. I give more priority to the condition of the body/chassis particularly regarding corrosion. However mine does not need to work for living! 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing 2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black |
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15th Aug 2023 6:36am |
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| BrickBox Member Since: 05 Oct 2021 Location: Wales Posts: 622  
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Personally, I’d go for the 2.4. I’m biased of course.
Lacks the DPF and oil dilution issues. That’s a big factor in engine failure is diluted oil. 2008 2.4 110 Utility XS. |
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15th Aug 2023 8:15am |
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| hank Member Since: 12 Sep 2016 Location: South Wales Posts: 2231 
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What you have to remember is that these engines are also found in Transit vans which often get abused with little to no maintenance... But go on and on and on. As well as black cabs which use them because of their proven reliability and longevity
They are reliable units, particularly when treated well. Yes there are low mile horror stories out there but these are anomalous and the same applies with anything mechanical - there will always be unexplained premature failures. > 110 XS Double Cab > Instagram @simonlanemind |
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15th Aug 2023 8:26am |
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| Grenadier Member Since: 23 Jul 2014 Location: The foot of Mont Blanc... Posts: 5765  
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Or get the 2.4, and use the £14k difference to put in a M57 with autobox.
 Monsieur Le Grenadier
I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list..... 2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey |
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15th Aug 2023 9:21am |
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| steveww Member Since: 05 Jan 2022 Location: Uppingham Posts: 537 
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Next Meridian https://nextmeridianexpedition.live are driving their 2.2 Puma around the world and it started the trip with 100kms on the clock. So far so good, nothing major to fix. That should give you some confidence.
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15th Aug 2023 9:24am |
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| NoLimits Member Since: 29 Dec 2022 Location: Somerset Posts: 51 
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This, definitely do this 
Edited to say... I bought my 2014 2.2 110 with 120k on the clock, I have done nothing to the engine apart from upping the performance with a BAS 170 ecu and intercooler upgrade. The drive shafts, half shafts and transfer box shaft on the other hand, have all had to be replaced as there was a lot of play in them, but the engine has been fine. |
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15th Aug 2023 11:07am |
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| swt Member Since: 24 Aug 2018 Location: Cumbria Posts: 149 
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My 2.4 has 120k miles on the clock and the only things that have failed near the engine or its ancillaries have been the VCV (obvs!) and a stretch bolt holding an injector clamp. The mechanic I used when we lived in Hertfordshire worked on Defenders, Transits and taxis a lot, and so saw a lot of this engine. He reckoned it was about as reliable as any, and was good for a few hundred thousand. It would certainly be low down on my list of concerns buying a vehicle.
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15th Aug 2023 11:26am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 16884
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266k miles on my 2.4 now, it's had a new water pump, new aux belt pulley bearings, several VCVs, exhaust manifold gasket, and one new aux belt, but I don't remember any other engine parts. Timing gear, injectors, etc, are all original at present, injectors have never been out. It has a Provent fitted which I think helps assure longevity of engine life.
The driveline is a different story, LT230, propshafts, diffs, halfshafts CVs have all been replaced and upgraded, it's on its fifth (I think) clutch although the most recent has now done 120k miles. |
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15th Aug 2023 11:34am |
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| lightning Member Since: 23 Apr 2009 Location: High Peak, Derbyshire Posts: 2247
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Yes there's the 2.4 option as well.
l use the vehicle for my business and do a lot of short journeys every day, so would that be a problem with a 2.2? |
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15th Aug 2023 12:15pm |
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| Grenadier Member Since: 23 Jul 2014 Location: The foot of Mont Blanc... Posts: 5765
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What's a Provent BW? Monsieur Le Grenadier I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list..... 2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey |
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15th Aug 2023 12:20pm |
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| swt Member Since: 24 Aug 2018 Location: Cumbria Posts: 149
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The 2.2 has a diesel particulate filter for emissions purposes, which the 2.4 did not. The DPF needs to regenerate at higher temperature from time to time, which is less easily achieved on short journeys. There have been a number of discussions about this: an occasional longer run at speed keeps things running. Personally, I am glad of my 2.4, there being less to go wrong, one less warning light to be troubled by etc. Its my daily drive and does high miles in short bursts on slow rural roads. Horses for courses, but I'm sure a 2.2 would be just as good. |
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15th Aug 2023 1:33pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 16884
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It's a catch can fitted in the engine breather system to separate the gunky stuff from the gas. There are many threads on here about them. Anything that can be done to prevent the engine reingesting its own waste is good for engine life, disabling the EGR especially so, but sadly that would be illegal so of course we wouldn't do it. Provent pictures can be seen at the randomly-selected link below. https://www.darksidedevelopments.co.uk/pro...ystem.html |
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15th Aug 2023 1:50pm |
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