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| steveww Member Since: 05 Jan 2022 Location: Uppingham Posts: 537   
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Toyota have gone retro with the Land Cruiser.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-car...arket-2024 The Grenadier Station Wagon now starts at £76k. At that price the pretender Defender looks good value. If only the J70 was available in the UK https://www.toyota.com.au/landcruiser-70 |
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4th Aug 2023 11:59am |
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| lightning Member Since: 23 Apr 2009 Location: High Peak, Derbyshire Posts: 2245
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l am not sure any vehicles are "good value" these days, the cheapest new car you can buy in the U.K. costs £14,000 and most are a lot more.
lf you wanted a rugged 4x4 the Suzuki Jimny seemed a great buy at under £20,000 in top specification. That was, until they stopped importing them in 2020. The new Land Cruiser looks good but again its predicted to start at over £50,000 which isn't cheap. |
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29th Aug 2023 9:29am |
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| TexasRover Member Since: 24 Nov 2022 Location: Paris Posts: 794  
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The Toyota 76 is readily available in the Middle East, brand new, super cool looking, rugged and with some mod cons. I was very tempted to buy one when I was there, but with my time limited there I was hesitant with no import to Europe.
So is Europe going to allow something crude like a Toyota 76 on their streets? Even the Jimmny is banned! - driver and passenger safety - Pedestrian safety - Emissions Face it there is only fun left in older (classic) cars. All modern cars are conformed to death and just plain boring. |
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29th Aug 2023 9:38am |
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| Chicken Drumstick Member Since: 17 Aug 2020 Location: Near MK Posts: 543
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@texasRover
Those aren't the reasons. The 70 Series for example gets top crash safety ratings in Oz, as it is required for large Gov contracts and the like. The Jimny also isn't 'banned'. It was just down to stupid EU regs around emissions. The Jimny is actually pretty clean, but because it weighed only just over a tonne it got penalised heavily. If it has weighed 1000kg more, it could quite happily have polluted more like all the other 4x4's on sale in the EU (LR, Jeep, Toyota, etc etc). e.g. Jimny = 154g/km Land Cruiser = 251g/km Jimny too polluting apparently, but the Land Cruiser is fine.... 
I don't see any legislative reason why Toyota couldn't sell the 70 Series in the UK/EU, but they choose not too, likely because they feel there is no real demand for such a vehicle. |
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29th Aug 2023 11:07am |
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| Bluest Member Since: 23 Apr 2016 Location: Lancashire Posts: 3997 
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Agreed, the reason we don't have the 70 here is it isn't worth Toyota's time and money to make it available. Homologating a vehicle for sale in europe is expensive, and the "penalities" for high emissions is also very high. It's just not worth it to them for something they think will sell in very small numbers.
Ineos to an extent are conducting a public experiment. If it's a runaway profitable success, we'll probably see other manufacturers coming back into the utilitarian sector. Especially as the impending ICE ban is likely to be pushed back. The Merc G Wagon is a comparable vehicle to the Ineos, but the only reason I think Merc still persist with it in Europe is because of the insanely high prices they can charge for AMG models make the business case viable. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS |
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29th Aug 2023 12:04pm |
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| Chicken Drumstick Member Since: 17 Aug 2020 Location: Near MK Posts: 543
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Mercedes don't sell loads of G-Wagons, but they sell more than they used too, despite the price.
Mercedes-Benz G-Class 2021 7.116 2020 6.342 2019 8.682 2018 6.071 2017 5.457 2016 4.646 2015 2.936 2014 2.406 2013 2.632 2012 2.210 2011 1.789 2010 1.500 2009 1.309 2008 1.279 2007 1.585 2006 1.447 2005 1.794 2004 1.728 2003 1.745 2002 2.381 2001 2.547 2000 1.693 1999 3.638 1998 1.758 1997 1.632 |
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29th Aug 2023 1:16pm |
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| lightning Member Since: 23 Apr 2009 Location: High Peak, Derbyshire Posts: 2245
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Suzuki stopped importing the Jimny to the U.K. because not being a hybrid it increased the company's overall emissions figure.
At the time there was a two year waiting list for the vehicle in the U.K. son they could have sold as many as they could bring in. There's a Commercial version still available but it's more basic and only has two seats. |
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29th Aug 2023 1:29pm |
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| Chicken Drumstick Member Since: 17 Aug 2020 Location: Near MK Posts: 543
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It is true it would impact the average emissions, but overall it was still pretty clean. Else how does any other car maker manage to sell vehicles with much higher Co2 outputs than the Jimny?
BTW pretty much every other car maker does sell cars with higher emissions. So that can't be the real or only answer. As for selling out, yes. But mostly due to low volume being imported. They could have certainly sold more. But again that isn't the whole picture. The 3rd Gen was imported in far larger volumes. So it is no wonder there was a waiting list with heavily restricted quantity arriving in the UK/EU. |
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29th Aug 2023 4:02pm |
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| Puddings 3112 Member Since: 05 Dec 2020 Location: Down South Posts: 44 |
Suzuki was also caught up in the Toyota diesel emmisions scandal and there was speculation that they have retrenched not only on diesels but also pure petrol models as they try to appear as contrite and as compliant as possible in preparation for any fines heading in their direction. It was also rumoured to be part of the reason why the MotoGP and other bike racing programmes were cancelled because they needed to have as much cash ringfenced as possible to pay the fines
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29th Aug 2023 7:40pm |
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| Chris86 Member Since: 15 Jul 2014 Location: South Yorks Posts: 755 
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G-Class is a low volume model relatively speaking however it is a halo product too, similar to S-class. It also had a more than 18 month waiting list early this year, I believe it has reduced slightly now. Mercedes had the option to kill it off, but opted to release a massively (ie 99.5%) new version. It’s not really comparable to Grenadier, the G is not really marketed for utility users any more (apart from w464 military and rescue user version)- the previous w463 I would argue is more comparable……. However it’s also had the benefit of 40 years of development. |
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17th Oct 2023 7:07pm |
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| Grenadier Member Since: 23 Jul 2014 Location: The foot of Mont Blanc... Posts: 5765 
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Never understand why a Jimny or 76 fail on pedestrian safety yet almost all trucks/vans in Europe are slab fronted vehicles with some, like that behemoth Renault Truck Cab, almost the height of a two storey building. One rule for one driver, another rule for another. Further, very few car-on-pedestrian accidents happen in pedestrian only areas such as pavements/sidewalks, front gardens, shopping malls, inside cinemas, hotel foyers, kitchens etc, but nearly ALL do happen in the middle of the road. In this regard, surely money should be spent on improving road architecture or educating pedestrians about how to cross a road safely, than penalising drivers for an accident likely brought about by an errant, distracted pedestrian and not the fault of the driver or the design of the car. And when it is the driver's fault, no amount of soft impact protection on the front of a car is likely to avoid serious injury or death on the rare, and horrific, occasion that a car is completely out of control and ploughs through a queue of people at a bus stop. Monsieur Le Grenadier I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list..... 2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey |
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19th Oct 2023 7:54am |
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| MartinK Member Since: 02 Mar 2011 Location: Silverdale (Lancashire/Cumbria Border) Posts: 2664 
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Saw this the other day...loads in Dubai
Shame we can't get these in UK  Click image to enlarge Defender "Puma" 2.4 110 County Utility (possibly the last of the 2.4's) |
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19th Oct 2023 8:11am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 16879 
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Simple, different rules for goods vehicles (and in fact the reason that late classic Defenders were N1 type approved). |
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19th Oct 2023 8:31am |
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| lightning Member Since: 23 Apr 2009 Location: High Peak, Derbyshire Posts: 2245
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That looks a nice truck. What's the specifications? |
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22nd Oct 2023 9:19am |
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