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Pike3450

Member Since: 04 Feb 2022
Location: Sussex
Posts: 16

200tdi front wheel bearing issues

Evening all

Having issues with front wheel bearings.

Rebuilt front axle
This issue is on both sides all round play off about 3/4mm
Has new Timkin bearings and new hubs. Have checked part no too make sure there right.
Even after I’ve tightened first locknut after seating everything I still have large amounts off play. I’ve put the thrust washer on before locknut it’s almost like I need another washer so the whole hub seats further back.

Any suggestions will be appreciated, thanks in advance

4th May 2023 6:35pm

geobloke

Member Since: 06 Nov 2012
Location: Nottinghamshire
Posts: 4395

Hi Pike. What era front axle do you have? Does your vehicle have a spacer between the bearings?

4th May 2023 6:40pm

Pike3450

Member Since: 04 Feb 2022
Location: Sussex
Posts: 16

Hi geobloke no spacer between bearing.

4th May 2023 6:42pm

geobloke

Member Since: 06 Nov 2012
Location: Nottinghamshire
Posts: 4395

What state is the stub axle in? Sounds like the bearings are getting wedged on something.

4th May 2023 6:43pm

Pike3450

Member Since: 04 Feb 2022
Location: Sussex
Posts: 16

Forgot too mention I’ve reused an old stub axle on one side and have a new stub axle on the other side
So don’t think there’s an issue with stubs

4th May 2023 6:44pm

Pike3450

Member Since: 04 Feb 2022
Location: Sussex
Posts: 16

Yeah it would seem something is holding it of 2/3 mm just needs too go on a little further. I’ve got a oil seal on the inner hub could that hold it off at all

4th May 2023 6:46pm

Dinnu

Member Since: 24 Dec 2019
Location: Lija
Posts: 3203

2012 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 CSW Santorini Black

IIRC there should be a thick washer between the outer bearing and the first nut.

Edit: I just re read your first post, and missed that you said that you put the thrust washer. That is what I was referring to.

You mention that you changed the hubs. Could you have got later Defender hubs? I read somewhere that on later Defender hubs, the bearings are closer together, which would explain your 'play'. 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing
2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black

Last edited by Dinnu on 4th May 2023 7:29pm. Edited 1 time in total

4th May 2023 7:25pm

Pike3450

Member Since: 04 Feb 2022
Location: Sussex
Posts: 16

Yes that washer was in

4th May 2023 7:28pm

Dinnu

Member Since: 24 Dec 2019
Location: Lija
Posts: 3203

See my edit above. 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing
2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black

4th May 2023 7:29pm

Pike3450

Member Since: 04 Feb 2022
Location: Sussex
Posts: 16

Hi Dinnu it did cross my mind. I did buy pre 93 hubs frc6139. Wish I didn’t chuck my old ones so I could compare. Built these axles up about a year ago soo chucked most of the old stuff

4th May 2023 7:34pm

donmacn

Member Since: 07 Nov 2017
Location: Nth Scotland
Posts: 1829

I wonder if you’ve any pics of the seals when you fitted them?

I once had to have a garage fit some new wheel bearings for me when I was away from home. The job didn’t last more than a few days before I had to take them off and do them again. He had fitted the body of the seal ‘flush’ with the back of the hub, but it needs to be recessed 3 or 4mm.

Apologies if this is too basic/obvious. No offence intended. Donald

1994 Defender 300Tdi 110 SW - owned since 2002 - 230k miles and going strong
(The 'rolling restoration' or tinkering thread: http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic58538.html )
2000 Range Rover P38 4.0L V8

in the past..
RR classic - fitted with 200Tdi
1984 RR classic - V8 with ZF auto box
1993 Discovery 300Tdi

not to mention the minis and the Type 2 VW camper...

5th May 2023 5:46pm

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 16871

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey

The usual trick is to use the drive flange as a drift to tap the seal in. Place the side of the flange that usually contacts the hub against the seal, and then tap the centre of the other side to drift the seal in. The locating lip on the drive flange is the correct thickness to inset the seal the right distance.

5th May 2023 5:55pm

Pike3450

Member Since: 04 Feb 2022
Location: Sussex
Posts: 16

Cheers for all the responses. Turned out they were the wrong hubs, new ones I got, all though they look the same, from where the inner race too the back of hub was around 7mm shorter. Possibly got sent later style, not soo sure. Learnt my lesson too check with your old stuff before fitting

Cheers again

5th May 2023 6:03pm

Dinnu

Member Since: 24 Dec 2019
Location: Lija
Posts: 3203

If only I heard about that trick earlier Blackwolf 👍

About the OP problem, I now remember that the earlier larger drive members do not fit the later hubs (although I do not remember exactly which is the larger diameter). Would be a good check to know if you have the correct hubs or not.

Edit: I just saw that you found the root cause. 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing
2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black

5th May 2023 6:12pm

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