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| J77 Member Since: 04 Nov 2019 Location: Fife Posts: 3256  
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Technology is the new rust 24MY 90 D250 HSE, Tasman Blue
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23rd Apr 2023 12:06pm |
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| LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11240  
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That's a very good analogy. Darren
110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak "You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought!" - Princess Leia |
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23rd Apr 2023 12:48pm |
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| markb110 Member Since: 22 May 2010 Location: Guildford Posts: 2525  
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Barbel……..I’ll go and tell the missus to pack her bags….
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23rd Apr 2023 3:27pm |
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| lightning Member Since: 23 Apr 2009 Location: High Peak, Derbyshire Posts: 2264
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l imagine there will be a healthy supply of used parts in years to come, as the Defender is popular and already has an enthusiastic following.
Land Rover is likely to support the vehicle into the foreseeable future, as they've only just introduced it. Once the model is discontinued you've probably got around five years before LR backup starts to drop off. But that could be 2040. It may be that after 2030 when I/C engines are no longer manufactured that you'll get another five years of LR backup, after all they'll have to cater for those who bought one with an I/C engine in the period 2025/30 |
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23rd Apr 2023 6:11pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 16907 
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I think the point missed in the post above is then as a broad rule of thumb first and second owners tend to get dealers to maintain the vehicle, from the third owners onwards typically the owner maintains the vehicle. This may be difficult with current vehicles of any make. Additionally the costs associated with dealer maintenance may well mean the a major technology failure makes the vehicle uneconomical to repair. Remember we already know that a damaged wiring harness can write off a new Defender.
It is ironic that as the world professes to be increasingly environmentally-aware we are more and more creating a throw-away society, whether it is components that are "sealed for life" or entire vehicles. Scrap your 2-year-old diesel car, serviceable for another 15 years, and buy an electric car with an environmentally-catastrophic battery which will last no more than 5 years because it's good for the planet! How have we arrived at this mindset? |
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23rd Apr 2023 8:15pm |
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| markb110 Member Since: 22 May 2010 Location: Guildford Posts: 2525
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How have we arrived at this mindset?
Money - for the few. |
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23rd Apr 2023 9:37pm |
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| lightning Member Since: 23 Apr 2009 Location: High Peak, Derbyshire Posts: 2264
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There's a local independent Land Rover specialist near me, and they repair/service
Land Rover products for much less than dealer prices. Our last Defender bought new never saw the main dealer because servicing at the independent dealer didn't invalidate the warranty. They have already worked on new Defenders and they can't be the only one. That's one way to keep an older model going, their hourly rate is about £50 |
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23rd Apr 2023 10:07pm |
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| barbel jim Member Since: 12 Dec 2012 Location: Northants Posts: 1412 
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Without getting too deep and off topic brainwashing |
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23rd Apr 2023 11:03pm |
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| LR Nuts Member Since: 10 Aug 2022 Location: UK Posts: 836 
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 Click image to enlarge Yes local authorities will have to change the design of their wheelie bins. |
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24th Apr 2023 11:32am |
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| DSC-off Member Since: 16 Oct 2014 Location: North East Posts: 1352 
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Who? That company doesn't exist anymore! 
I wouldn't try to guess when it becomes unviable to keep a modern combustion engined vehicle on the road. Too many unpredictable variables. Drive it where you can, while you can and for as long as it is still legally possible. |
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24th Apr 2023 2:43pm |
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| mse Member Since: 06 Apr 2008 Location: UK Posts: 5024 
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There is a rule that requires manufacturers supplying Europe to keep and produce parts for 10yrs after, if memory serves, they stop producing that car.
The cost of those parts might become expensive and the know-how reduced. This (as said above) is a problem for all modern cars and the deep irony about environmental BS. Look at some of the recent repair drives across a few segments to allow repairs and to supply parts. I did here, however, there are moves afoot to change the model to something where you can upgrade and replace but keep the shell - something more modular. Mike |
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25th Apr 2023 9:58am |
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| LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11240
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The ten year rule isn't actually a rule, unfortunately. It's only an industry guideline and not enforceable. Darren
110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak "You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought!" - Princess Leia |
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25th Apr 2023 2:00pm |
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| TexasRover Member Since: 24 Nov 2022 Location: Paris Posts: 800  
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And yet here we are discussing and sharing the most intricate technical details and knowledge here on this platform. It is amazing how much access we have to information and parts now compared to 20 odd years ago.
I just bought an LR4 (disco 4) which had a suspension issue. Few evenings reading on the sofa and I am now an expect on LR4 air suspension. And of course I fixed the problem, with the help of plentiful aftermarket specialist providers (UK) for seals etc and a comprehensive scanner (IID tool) readily available for me to buy. I think there is hope for the future. You see in the US there is strong 'right to repair' legislation to help farmers fight the John Deere practices for instance. There will always be dumb consumers and there will be people like us, that prefer to be in control. |
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25th Apr 2023 4:15pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 16907
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That however doesn't alter the fact that if you have, say, a matrix headlamp unit fail it is highly unlikely to be repairable and the replacement cost of several thousand pounds plus fitting (if you don't have the skill to install it and programme it to the vehicle) is likely to make it entirely impractical for the current "enthusiast-owner" sector of the population, the traditional third owner onwards spot. Some components, such as, we are told, the full wiring harness on the new Def, will never be economical to repair due to the work involved, or due to the problems caused by modern assembly techniques such as gluing the structure together.
The typical third or later owner of a new Defender owner won't be contemplating rebuilds of the scale that we routinely do on the classic Defender, where a new chassis and a body built from seven donor vehicles is routine, simply because it won't be possible. It is unlikely you'll even be able to replace a damaged body panel without taking it to a well-equipped bodyshop which can handle glued composite structures. An impact which might lead to a new bumper on a classic Defender is likely to compromise the crush structure (or fire the airbags) on a new Defender leading to it being written off. This is not (for once, for me) a dig at the new Defender, since exactly the same is true of all modern mass-produced vehicles. We have mysteriously created the concept of the throw-away car, right at the time that we have supposedly woken up to the imminent death of the human race from our wasteful consumerist behaviour. It's very bizarre. |
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25th Apr 2023 6:41pm |
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