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| Puddings 3112 Member Since: 05 Dec 2020 Location: Down South Posts: 44  |
This general topic folder is for the original defender which all leak and breakdown every so often
You might want to scroll down the forum folders to the section where the new gen defender owners live - there is a long running thread in their general folder about long term ownership which might be of use. |
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2nd Jan 2023 3:23pm |
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| JustCallMeMac Member Since: 02 Jan 2023 Location: Southampton Posts: 23 
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Gotcha and thanks for pointing that out.
Is there anyway I / Mods can put this in to General & Technical (L663) or am I best served re-posting? Cheers. |
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2nd Jan 2023 4:45pm |
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| markb110 Member Since: 22 May 2010 Location: Guildford Posts: 2522  
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Look at older Range Rovers or overall lack of on the roads for the best guauge on ‘modern long term ownership’
Modern vehicles aren’t designed to last. The original ‘drivers’, can’t call the owners as that is the credit company, on the whole don’t want to continue paying for a continually depreciating liability. Second or third owners want the status but the bank account won’t stretch to the upkeep, dealer serving and repairs. The vehicle value drops off a cliff but the labour charges keep going up all the way to the scrap heap. Take a look at the YouTube Channel LR Time if you want to see what they have to do to maintain their Discovery 3. I would hate to guess how much everything would have cost if they relied on the main dealer. He’s a very clever guy. And in his own words, if you can’t maintain it yourself, it’s a money pit, don’t buy. So in short, get it, get an extended warranty, make friends with the local LR specialist (or at least check to see what he can and can’t do), but don’t expect to see it on you drive for the thirteen year as per my 90 TD5 HT which turned 20 two days ago. Another example, a few years ago a friend had a Jaguar V8 salon thing. The infotainment system died, the dealer wanted £3k before labour. He got a replacement for £750 from a scrap yard then had it fitted. A year later thy part exchanged it for a RRS, and was offered only £3k for the car. Modern cars are pretty much at the pinnacle of our throw a way culture. |
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2nd Jan 2023 5:16pm |
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| Mike c Member Since: 11 Aug 2017 Location: Maldon, Essex Posts: 905 
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As above, pretty much sums up my thoughts on modern cars in general, especially modern LR which have been going far too complex/disposable since the D3 (old Defenders to 2015 excluded)
Still, premium and disposable is no doubt a great business model, but it takes a different mindset to ownership I guess!  2004 Defender 90 Td5 CSW
2002 Discovery 2 td5 GS (gone) 1994 Defender 90 300Tdi CSW (gone) |
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2nd Jan 2023 8:58pm |
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| lightning Member Since: 23 Apr 2009 Location: High Peak, Derbyshire Posts: 2246
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l've got a lot of customers with older Land Rover vehicles such as Discovery 3/4, Range Rover
If looked after these cars can last 20 years. You do need to have a local specialist who doesn't charge main dealer prices though. The Discovery 3/4 does have a couple of issues that can make it uneconomic to repair, such as complete engine failure. And there are other faults which can render the vehicle not worth repairing. Also the vehicles don't really have an enthusiast following like Defenders, there is always someone who will take on a tatty TD5 and restore it. So if a Range Rover has too many issues it will likely go to the scrapyard where l've seen derelict Defenders lovingly brought back to life. The old Defender is a bit of a one off as it can always be repaired, ultimately the chassis, bulkhead etc can be replaced if corrosion takes a hold, and then you are good for another thirty years. Engines and other parts are plentiful if you need them due to their fitment in the Discovery 1/2 which are still being scrapped due to terminal corrosion. Personally l've gone from a 2005 Defender to a 2022 Defender and the arguments between the two are extensive. I love the new one, it's a fabulous vehicle, but part of me wishes l had kept my old one. l have to look at the practicalities in using it for my business though, and in that case the new one wins. Also the old one required constant maintenance and l had lost the incentive to do the work, being also busy in my business. However lf l lived in the middle of nowhere and wanted a vehicle to take off road it would be the old Defender every time, prices have come down with the increased presence of ULEZ in cities and you can get a really good one for a whole lot less than the new model. |
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