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| piechipsandpeas Member Since: 12 May 2021 Location: Albany, Western Australia Posts: 168   
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And yet you're on your original output shaft.
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21st Sep 2022 12:29pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 19551 
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At that lifespan and my annual milage then my output shaft has about 20+ years left in it yet.
My adage is if there isn’t a problem with them, leave them well alone. And the greasing of the splines seems to do the trick. The downside does indeed seem to be that the clutches are somewhat sacrificial. (And not cheap!). If anyone is getting over 50k on their clutch I would consider it doing well, 48k is the maximum I’ve ever had out of the LR version. A lot depends on owner use though, mine doesn’t do heavy work but does a lot of lanes (not Byways off the road) and that will be a lot of vibration. Especially considering how some roads have been, potholes everywhere. Diesel$ Live$ Matter. ⛽️🛢️👨🔧🧰⚙️ RED, WHITE & BOOST! 🇬🇧 |
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21st Sep 2022 4:16pm |
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| jpboost Member Since: 13 Apr 2021 Location: Gatwick Posts: 374 
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Are you suggesting the the vibration of driving on less smooth roads could have an impact in the life of the clutch plate?
I'm not sure I follow the logic? |
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21st Sep 2022 4:21pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 16862 
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As I commented on the previous page my fifth clutch (genuine LR) has now done around 110k. It is overdue for replacement, but wasn't in need of replacement at 50k.
It does indeed, and possibly the fact that I know how to change gear (having driven many, many miles in vehicles without snchro) has helped prolong the life of my clutch, and even possibly the output shaft. I will wager that when I finally get round to removing driven plate number five it will have plenty of wear left, but the springs will be flopping around. Mine does do a fair amount of heavy work, regularly towing 3.5 tonnes, and is also off-road pretty frequently.
Indeed not cheap, however be thankful you don't have a TD5 because based on my experience with my Disco2 although the clutch may last longer you'd be fitting a new flywheel every 70k miles or so to stop the clutch juddering. A new DMF really hurts the pocket! My disco has done 210k or thereabouts and is on its third DMF, and I bet per mile it has cost me more in clutch-related components than the Defender. The Defender makes up for it in driveline components many times over though!  |
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21st Sep 2022 6:04pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 19551
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BW - Oh yes, the DMF’s are very pricey! I noticed the prices when I was looking for parts. Glad the Puma is a SMF, that’s enough but far less trouble and so far mines been reliable and trouble free.
I’m back on this thread today, as after a few weeks I finally got the old clutch that was removed from my 90 out of the box to dispose of it appropriately. Having a look at the friction plate, it isn’t severely worn. To my untrained eye I’d say maybe 50 / 60% worn maybe? Not too bad. The pressure plate fingers were not bent or deformed, old slave seemed O-K. And pressure plate surface didn’t look too bad either. Old Spigot bearing didn’t look great, but maybe that purely due to removal of it. The springs were culprit, the centre spring was somewhere loose the larger spring just holding on. All springs were very loose, very loose. And this was the same with the last LR clutch I was told, so is something I’m not impressed with with LR’s offering. Pictures tell all:  Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge I’d have thought the retention of the springs could be a better design. Diesel$ Live$ Matter. ⛽️🛢️👨🔧🧰⚙️ RED, WHITE & BOOST! 🇬🇧 |
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31st Oct 2022 10:42pm |
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| Hufflepuff Member Since: 25 Oct 2014 Location: Hampshire Posts: 723  
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While we are on the subject of clutches and DMF, has anyone got any idea why Turner Engineering are stating for their Td5 exchange stripped engine:
https://www.turnerengineering.co.uk/land-rover-stripped-engines I can't for the life of me think of any reason why a single mass flywheel would be bad for an engine? The gearbox, clutch or the user comfort OK sure, but not the engine? 2005 Td5 90 XS 1989 V8 110 CSW |
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31st Oct 2022 11:46pm |
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| MartinK Member Since: 02 Mar 2011 Location: Silverdale (Lancashire/Cumbria Border) Posts: 2664 
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2011, 56k miles
All original except the clutch fluid I refreshed  Defender "Puma" 2.4 110 County Utility (possibly the last of the 2.4's) |
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1st Nov 2022 7:56am |
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| Bill1919 Member Since: 04 Mar 2017 Location: Dorset Posts: 47 
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2015 110
Clutch and slave cylinder at 68K Adapter shaft failed at 92k Current mileage 98K 1988 110 csw 2.5Td (19J) (gone) 1992 110 csw Tdi200 (gone) 1995 110 csw Tdi300 (gone) 2015 110 XS csw 2.2 puma |
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1st Nov 2022 3:48pm |
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| mark1200 Member Since: 09 Oct 2011 Location: peterborough Posts: 64 
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04 td5 200 bhp. At 85k the clutch stared to slip quite a lot too heavy a right foot lol. so changed for a lof power spec and solid flywheel, took a while to get used to the solid flywheel but all is ok and the clutch is very strong.
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1st Nov 2022 4:57pm |
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| RobKeay Member Since: 19 Jul 2009 Location: Stafford Posts: 1565 
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Changed mine at 78k ish. But only because the box was out.
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1st Nov 2022 6:11pm |
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| Grenadier Member Since: 23 Jul 2014 Location: The foot of Mont Blanc... Posts: 5765  
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40k, replaced with LR OE. Replaced after OS failure on holiday, suspect pressure plate and slave weren’t changed. Wasn’t in country when work was done.
80k replaced with Clutchfix clutch and pressure plate, and new slave. As we’re on the subject, quick question on recent change/upgrade. Two points: A. Clutch is a little agricultural in first gear, not easy to finesse bite to avoid a clunk. 2-6 all smooth. Anything I can do about it? B. If I have used the Def hard, motorway or steep hill, there is a burning smell. I mentioned this on another thread, and suspicion was thrown on either exhaust wrap or oil on the casing. The smell is still there six months on, albeit a lot lot less. Could this be from inside the gearbox? Is it possible to misalign the clutch yet still use it? Wrong gearbox oil? Etc etc…. Monsieur Le Grenadier I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list..... 2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey |
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3rd Nov 2022 9:02am |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 19551
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A, DM’s being worn or prop UJ’s are common for that, possibly clutch switch can have some issues too if it’s old.
B, Difficult to say especially over such a long time, a month or so maybe oil or grease on the exhaust. Axle oil can smell quite a bit, but that’s difficult to say unless it is somewhat migrating from a leak from front diff to onto exhaust but I doubt you have a diff leak? Other than that, clutch slipping? Though that is usually distinctive in smell. Aroma de clutch, or eu’ de axle oil is not my favourite scented products. 
If there is a lot of smell coming off it suggests excessive heat, of which unless exhaust suggests a problem. I’d try and find out what it is that is getting excessively hot or get under and take a look whilst it is. (Careful of the hot exhaust). Diesel$ Live$ Matter. ⛽️🛢️👨🔧🧰⚙️ RED, WHITE & BOOST! 🇬🇧 |
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3rd Nov 2022 8:19pm |
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| Vitesse Member Since: 21 Mar 2014 Location: Sussex Posts: 372 
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2015 90. Purchased from new
83k with original clutch and output shaft. 2015 90 XS Santorini Black |
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9th Nov 2022 1:38pm |
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| Landowner Member Since: 06 Jan 2023 Location: Somerset Posts: 60 
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Just raising this subject and continuing the list.
Loss of power today (let the clutch up over the weekend, with brakes on when I thought I was out of gear! Massive clonk but I thought I had got away with it until I came to a steep hill….no drive at all. Anyway, likely output shaft so getting clutch and slave cylinder replaced regardless as fluid was black the other day, and clutch bite is way down . 2012 - second owner, around 2 months ownership. |
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