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spudfan



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The Grenadier and something to consider before buying
I am in Ireland so I was wondering who will be selling the Grenadier. It seems the only agent in Ireland will be ORANGEWORKS AUTOMOTIVE. Seems they have a presence in the U.K. too. What they do is corporate events for the motor industry and clients include Land Rover and Jaguar. It says that they will be doing sales and servicing. I know they are pushing the reliability of the vehicle but the only outlet here is 170 miles from me. I thought they had some other model in mind.
https://www.orangeworks.ie/automotive-launches/
As an aside Ineos do say that the 5 seat station wagon version has more knee room for the second row passengers than the 5 seat utility. I presume this is to give the utility 5 seat the necessary load space length to qualify for the N1 status.
So the 5 seat station wagon classed as M1 with the extra knee room will cost €2350 per year road tax.
The utility 5 seat with the more upright middle row seating and less knee room will cost €1200 per year road tax. So it depends how often you are going to use that middle row seating if you opt for 5 seats. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
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camelman



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On their website I can only see reference to a 2 seater utility? HAve you got a link to the 5 seater info.

Interestingly, the 2 seater only has an 856kG payload, assuming the 5 seater is heavier, doesn't it need a 1000kg payload to class as a 'van' with the extra seats for ta purposes (in the UK anyway). 
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spudfan



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UTILITY WAGON

The Grenadier Utility Wagon is certified as a commercial vehicle and is available in both two- and five-seat configurations. The two-seat version has a full-length flat floor capable of taking a standard Euro Pallet (1,200mm x 800mm), whilst the five-seat provides the optimum balance between payload and passenger carrying capability.
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STATION WAGON

The Grenadier Station Wagon is a 5-seater passenger vehicle, available at launch in one of our two Belstaff editions. Emphasis is slightly more on passenger comfort than loadspace capacity, with more knee room for second row passengers compared with the 5-seat Utility Wagon.
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You can pick everything the passenger one has. Click on the Irish flag and use the Irish site. The site
would not give me a price when I configured it. Must be still finalising it. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali
2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu
2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai
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Ianh



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My jaw dropped when I saw how much you have to pay in road tax ! At first I thought you must be referring to the first year, as in the UK that’s a similar price for a new grenadier and included in the “on the road price”. But no, after reading this https://www.completecar.ie/motor_road_tax_..._explained you have to pay that amount each and every year!
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spudfan



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Why do you think alcohol is so popular here? Whistle 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali
2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu
2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai
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camelman wrote:
On their website I can only see reference to a 2 seater utility? HAve you got a link to the 5 seater info.

Interestingly, the 2 seater only has an 856kG payload, assuming the 5 seater is heavier, doesn't it need a 1000kg payload to class as a 'van' with the extra seats for ta purposes (in the UK anyway).


There's no minimum payload for it to be N1 for EWVTA and hence road tax, but the minimum payload affects BIK status for business users and possibly VAT as well.

If it is N1 it will (unlike the classic Defender) almost certainly be subject to reduced speed limits where NSL apply since I cannot believe the ULW is low enough for it to be a DP V.
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camelman



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The kerb weight is 2650kg so unladen will be a tad below that so defo lower speed limits.

I was more interesed in the bik implications as that will be a big factor for people buying the utility vs sw in the uk anyway. The 5 door looks.like it will be subject to company car tax rather than van tax due to the sub 1000kg payload 
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blackwolf



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Yes, the kerb weight is generally 100 to 150kg above the ULW, so unless the fuel tank and driver together weigh well over half a tonne, it is not going to be a DPV!
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