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mini Anaconda



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What are these warning lights?
Had my dashboard apart today on my Ninety and was intrigued to see if there was anything behind the 'blank' dashboard lights.

As photographed below (shining a torch from the back), the first appears to be a lorry cab tilted forward (or completely detached!), not sure on the second one, looks like a cog?

Any ideas? Question


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Tommybahama32



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United Kingdom 1996 Defender 90 300 Tdi HT Bronze Green
Looks like a transmission temperature warning light or differential oil temp light. As you say the tilt cab warning light is the first one. Only ever seen these lights on heavy trucks.
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Dinnu



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I always thought that these were done since Landrover was a division of British Leyland. 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing
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Ramsay



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Scotland 1995 Defender 110 300 Tdi CSW Auto Keswick Green
The choice of symbols might be because of the Llama that was being developed at that time. As there was surplus symbols there was no need to change it when that project did not go ahead. 1995 Defender 110 CSW
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blackwolf



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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey
Most likely that the warning light panel was pinched from the parts bin of Leyland trucks.
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United Kingdom 2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Orkney Grey
No, Ramsay's got it. They were added in anticipation of the introduction of the Llama but then just used up on standard vehicles when that project didn't proceed. Darren

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MercianRover



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United Kingdom 1998 Defender 110 300 Tdi CSW Java Black
Re: What are these warning lights?
mini Anaconda wrote:


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I used that transmission high temperature warning lamp as a low-coolant indicator on my 300TDi. I got a Range Rover classic header tank cap with it's integral float switch and a delay on timer relay so the warning lamp illuminates when the header tank level is low after about 15 seconds. That's enough delay to not get nuisance flashing under braking, but not too long that it's useless in the event of a cooling system fault. Only refinement needed is to make it illuminate at key-on as a lamp check.
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Dinnu



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^^^ that is a neat idea.

I think you can easily do a lamp check if you supply 12v from the ignition to the warning light and then use the header cap to ground the warning light in parallel with the low oil pressure switch (closed until you start the engine). But if you have low oil, you will have 2 warning lights.

I used the PARK BRAKE warning light when I fitted a very crude immobilizer 😁 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing
2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black
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MercianRover



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United Kingdom 1998 Defender 110 300 Tdi CSW Java Black
Park brake warning light has ignition supply and is grounded via the park brake switch.

The coolant low warning light is wired to be powered and have constant ground because of the way the timer delay relay works.

For this reason a key-on lamp check would need a relay to buffer it to prevent "unintended consequences" but using zero oil-pressure to force a lamp check is a great idea!
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Dinnu



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Are you sure that the handbrake switch is grounding the PARK BRAKE (top left) warning light and not the (P) warning light (the one between the seat belt and trailer warning light, lower 3rd from left)?

My 1988 90 does not have handbrake switch, but has the low fluid level switch on the master cylinder. But there is yet another (!) BRAKE warning light and cannot remember which one illuminates in the event of low brake fluid level. 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing
2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black
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MercianRover



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United Kingdom 1998 Defender 110 300 Tdi CSW Java Black
Depends on the model year - mine is a '98 and has a different warning light pack.
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mini Anaconda



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Thanks all for the replies - interesting information. I had forgotten about the Llama, initially wondered if it shared the same cluster as a Leyland truck.

Only taken 7 years of looking at my dashboard to discover those two warning lights! Laughing BORG - Bucks & Oxon 4x4 Response Group
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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey
Quite by chance I have just stumbled across this on the autoeveolution.com website:

autoeveolution wrote:
But even though it disappeared into the history books earlier than planned, the Llama left a few traces in the Defender lineup. In 1987, the SUV's warning lights cluster was modified to include a new light to warn the driver if the cab's locking mechanism was opened. Showing a tilting truck cab with a large exclamation mark, the light remained in the Defender's cluster until 1998.


Link to source: https://www.autoevolution.com/news/the-sto...80706.html
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