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| Zagato Site Supporter Member Since: 08 Jan 2011 Location: Billingshurst West Sussex Posts: 4990  
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Do you mean the EGR? Exhaust Gas Recirculation Valve....someone with more knowledge than me..that's everyone
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11th Sep 2011 12:19pm |
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| wslr Member Since: 18 Jul 2010 Location: Wellington, Somerset Posts: 581
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Technical Service Bulletin LTB00153/2008 is the reference you need to give the dealer. Your code refers to a fuel metering valve and/or fuel pressure relief valve issue.
The dealerships use IDS (which is actually SDD now), but this system allows checking of past diagnostic history of the vehicle. It also has diagnostic tests to check EGRs and the fuel system, so don't take this code as being the actual issue, it may just be a symptom. |
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11th Sep 2011 12:22pm |
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| Zagato Site Supporter Member Since: 08 Jan 2011 Location: Billingshurst West Sussex Posts: 4990
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I knew that
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11th Sep 2011 12:25pm |
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| wslr Member Since: 18 Jul 2010 Location: Wellington, Somerset Posts: 581
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May sound clever Zag, but I cheated by checking TOPIx...
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11th Sep 2011 12:29pm |
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| Zagato Site Supporter Member Since: 08 Jan 2011 Location: Billingshurst West Sussex Posts: 4990
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11th Sep 2011 12:50pm |
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| Gil9713 Member Since: 11 Sep 2011 Location: Colchester Posts: 94
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Zagato,
Thanks for that. It may have been a translation issue
EGR does sound right. Do the symptoms sound correct, as I found it astonishing that no one in the UK who owned a like minded vehicle had not experienced the same problems. Even Ford Transit owners who have the same lump must have come across it. |
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11th Sep 2011 1:42pm |
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| Lorryman100 Member Since: 01 Oct 2010 Location: Here Posts: 2686 |
Hi, it is a common fault which I have experienced a couple of times with the original LR tune on. The first time it happened I called out LR assist and they recovered the defender back to the dealers. On plugging in their diagnostics dtc P1169 was recorded, P1169 - 00 Fuel rail pressure sensor in range but high. The dealers then replaced the complete fuel rail under warranty. The second time it happened I just reset the dtc as it only happened with the original LR tune and never with the remap. (I have a scangauge fitted all the time to the OBDII socket which shows and allows clearing of tested DTC's.)
 Click image to enlarge If it happens again, switch off the ignition and restart as this will cancel the limp mode. Then after 3 ignition cycles the MIL lamp will extinguish as long as the DTC doesn't reoccur. The DTC will remain on the ECU's fault list as it is a tested DTC and will only be removed by manually clearing the fault code with diagnostic gear. LR need the dtc to authorise warranty claims and will only carry out the work based on the codes stored in the EMS. So if they are not present then there is nothing wrong with your defender in their eyes. As to EGM? Do you think they meant EMS: Engine Management System? As this is where the fault code would be stored in the Duratorq EMS ECU. I did a quick Google of the EGM acronym and got these: Extraordinary General Meeting Earth Gravity Model Electronic Gaming Machine Earth Geoid Model Earth Gravitational Model Effects Guidance Matrix electrogram electrograms electrogustometry electron gas model Electronic Governor Module???? Elite Games Manager endothelial growth medium ethylene glycol monomethyl ether Eulerian Granular Model executive general manager expert group meeting Export general manifest extracellular granular material extraglomerular mesangium emergency general meeting |
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11th Sep 2011 3:13pm |
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| Gil9713 Member Since: 11 Sep 2011 Location: Colchester Posts: 94
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Lorryman,
Appreciate all of that, and the detail you have given me. Great stuff Gil |
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11th Sep 2011 3:17pm |
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| Gil9713 Member Since: 11 Sep 2011 Location: Colchester Posts: 94
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Lorryman,
After phoning Marshalls Landrover today they told me that my L/R had had this mod done in 2010 at a service. Do I take it, you have had the same fault twice or have I misread your reply? |
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12th Sep 2011 5:38pm |
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| Lorryman100 Member Since: 01 Oct 2010 Location: Here Posts: 2686 |
Yes, had it twice the second time about 7 months after it was supposedly fixed by the new software and replacement of the fuel rail.
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12th Sep 2011 5:43pm |
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| Gil9713 Member Since: 11 Sep 2011 Location: Colchester Posts: 94
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Thanks mate thats useful............they appear to be in denial and state I have to now wait until it does it again and get recovered and leave the fault untouched.Thats a threee month wait. I'll have to try to replacate it quicker than that, as the warranty runs out in January, or I'll just extend it.
The service department stated as L/R had replaced it once they will not do it again under warranty, thats one I can't understand, as then it means the rail was not fit for purpose in the first place!!! However, the Dutch couple I met at the LRO show stated their fault cleared up, when they turned the engine off and let it sit for a while and restarted, the fault had gone. Mind you I suppose, as I stated to them, the ECU would store faults to be read by the L/R mechs am I wrong? Gil |
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12th Sep 2011 5:49pm |
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| Lorryman100 Member Since: 01 Oct 2010 Location: Here Posts: 2686 |
Gil, I'm curious to know what software version is running on your Defender? Mine is 7H12-12K532-FDB and I'm wondering if this is the problem and not something mechanical as I have never had this fault with the remap on, only with the original LR fuelling file.
Brian. |
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12th Sep 2011 5:50pm |
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| Gil9713 Member Since: 11 Sep 2011 Location: Colchester Posts: 94
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Brian,
I'll check and let you know as this problem looks like a reoccurring one on the PUMA lump and being kept quiet for whatever reason at L/R. Mine was as AI said apparently rectified in 2010. I got the impression the service department felt they had fulfilled their obligation by replacing whatever, and even they couldn't itemise what had in fact been replaced which was a bit odd, considering L/R were financing it not the dealership. Suffice it to say, I will get to the bottom of it regardless, as I have the upper hand with a current warranty Gil |
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12th Sep 2011 5:55pm |
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| Lorryman100 Member Since: 01 Oct 2010 Location: Here Posts: 2686 |
By switching off the engine and the ignition this has closed the ignition cycle with the limp mode active. And then when the vehicle was restarted this started a new ignition cycle where the fault was not present so the limp mode would not be active. If it was P1169 the MIL would still be illuminated as P1169 would need to successfully pass the testing for 3 ignition cycles before the MIL would switch off. The DTC or faultcode would then be stored in the ECU which can be read and cleared by using a diagnostic tool. Have a read of this post as it explains it better, my post near the bottom explains DTC's.
http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic5443.html |
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12th Sep 2011 6:00pm |
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