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| BigMike Member Since: 13 Jul 2010 Location: Lancashire Posts: 2253  
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do you want to camp and cook? assuming yes, a roof tent is great but you'll need a tarp / awning as well. I would forget the 500 quid howling moon type affairs, you can buy box alloy the length of your roof, put a bolt in each end sticking up and get a tarp to match (or get the tarp first). then just get cheap poles and guys and jobs a good un. total cost for mine was less than 30 quid.
cooking wise, coleman duel fuel stoves are great (two ring burners) but they run better on Aspen 4T than they do on unleaded and you should take a spare generator (sounds expensive but its just a steel tube with a needle, about 12 quid). the best cooking pots in my experience are zebra. you ll need a water carrier (or just buy packs of bottled water). decent camp chair (hanging a down jacket on the back of it and tying the base underneath so it wraps round gives good insulation and keeps you warm). I can never really be arsed these days to chop onions and all that so I just take the (brilliant) packs from "look what we found". the chilli is excellent for example. put a bag and a bag of rice in 3 inches of cold water. bring to the boil and time for ten mins. clothes, vehicle spares, waterproofs, toolkit and socket set, some coolant, engine oil (you can get anything else there if you need it anyway) take a headtorch and spare batteries, that's pretty much it unless youre a kitchen sink kind of person. |
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11th Sep 2011 10:32am |
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| BigMike Member Since: 13 Jul 2010 Location: Lancashire Posts: 2253
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and a decent sleeping bag of course. get one for a far colder temp than you expect. you can always unzip it. down is best for this kind of thing as you wont be getting it wet. keep it uncompressed for storage, not in its small bag. good brands are PHD Designs, Helsport, Mountain Equipment, North Face
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11th Sep 2011 10:36am |
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| pom Member Since: 01 Jun 2010 Location: Worcester Posts: 1343 |
thanks for the advice.
Do the stoves leak at all or smell of petrol when stored ? I guess they will get rattled around a lot. Pom |
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11th Sep 2011 11:19am |
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| BigMike Member Since: 13 Jul 2010 Location: Lancashire Posts: 2253
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no shouldnt leak but its best to drain the tank back into your carrier for driving. I use a rotopax one gallon pack but you can use any fuel bottle really. if you dont drain the tank you do lose a lot through evaporation/depressurising
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11th Sep 2011 11:26am |
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| pom Member Since: 01 Jun 2010 Location: Worcester Posts: 1343 |
are the jetboil systems any good ?
They seem very fast to heat up and its a nice sealed gas unit ? Pom |
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11th Sep 2011 11:37am |
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| BigMike Member Since: 13 Jul 2010 Location: Lancashire Posts: 2253
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yes, perfect for brews but poor for cooking
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11th Sep 2011 11:53am |
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| wyvern Member Since: 14 Dec 2009 Location: Cornwall Posts: 2074 
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Hi Pom,
For one off short trips you can get a cheap gas ccoker that is like a briefcase with simple canisters that pop in from Hafords or Blacks (or simmilar). these are very reliable, burn clean and don't have issues with leaking fluids etc.. We camp a lot with the wagon and found that in Europe we only usualy cook a light breakfast of porrage, and a main meal in the evening as we travel through towns and stop at the odd cafe or tea shop for a light lunch, or buy bread and cheese/fruit to eat as a picnic. enjoy!!! (keep us posted on your trip plans as it sounds like a great route) Poppy - TDCI (Puma) 110XS 2.2 - Camper conversion - see the build here - https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic56530.html Elgar -TDCI(Puma) 110XS Dormobile - now sold Devon & Cornwall 4x4 Response - DC126  |
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11th Sep 2011 12:15pm |
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| willy eckerslike Member Since: 15 Jun 2009 Location: North yorks Posts: 1789 
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Get a pop up gazebo around £60 off ebay, it will fit alongside the rooftent on the roof bars, easier and cheaper than an awning
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11th Sep 2011 12:30pm |
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| pom Member Since: 01 Jun 2010 Location: Worcester Posts: 1343 |
what a great idea, I have 2 in the shed. Thanks!
Pom |
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11th Sep 2011 4:30pm |
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| willy eckerslike Member Since: 15 Jun 2009 Location: North yorks Posts: 1789
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Offset the rooftent and it fits alongside
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11th Sep 2011 4:44pm |
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| JSG Member Since: 12 Jul 2007 Location: Berkshire Posts: 2412 
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I have one of these;
http://www.busyoutdoors.com/cadac-safari-chef-lpg/p69 Not the smallest but so versatile. John http://www.hampshire4x4response.co.uk 2011 Tdci 110 CSW XS |
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11th Sep 2011 6:46pm |
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| LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11240 
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I've got one of those Safari Chefs' too, and agree they're excellent.
Given that you're route is through relatively civilised western Europe for what I assume is a two or three week jaunt, you really don't need to go mad with camping gear that's overspecified. For a stove, choose something that's both convenient to use and to store. Ones that use disposable gas cylinders are perfectly adequate on both counts. Alternatively, you could choose one that connects to a larger Camping Gaz cylinder, which is very widely available. Dual fuel stoves are great if you're travelling to the back of beyond and want the flexibility that they afford in terms of fuel availability. However, as your Land Rover is almost certainly diesel, that benefit is lost and you'd end up carrying a jerry can for petrol too. For pots and pans, for the last ten years I've been using the same Tefal camping pan set. They're light weight, non-stick and have proved to be very tough. They can be had for less than £40. A Land Rover with a roof tent always looks the part, but isn't the only solution. Don't underestimate the comfort and convenience of a ground tent that you can stand up in. I'm not necessarily talking about Oztents either. There are many modern tents that are cheaper, lighter and smaller when packed than a roof tent whilst offering a lot more living space. The compromise is that they may take a few more minutes to set up, but you won't fall out of them when you need a pee in the middle of the night. I wouldn't go vehicle based camping without a fridge. The convenience of milk for your tea, marg for your sandwiches and the occasional cold beer makes it a must for me. Again though, it doesn't necessarily have to be a £1000 Engel. I've used a National Luna compressor fridge freezer on a few trips and it was excellent. However, I've also used a much cheaper three way camping fridge and that was perfectly adequate too. Running off 12v whilst driving and gas (which can be shared with your stove) when parked, I completed a three week trip to Morocco in this fashion without any problems. As mentioned above, a comfortable chair is very important and a table is also extremely useful. If you do go for a ground tent then Thermorest self-inflating matresses are excellent. A decent sleeping bag is a must. My wife and I use Rab ones, which are superb, if somewhat expensive. It's the one area that's not worth compromising though, IMHO, as a poor nights' sleep will ruin the experience. Don't laugh, but take a hot water bottle too. Other than that, little things can make all of the difference: take a flask that you fill at bed time for an instant tea or coffee in the morning. A stack of paper plates takes up very little room and saves on the washing up. Some stackable crates with lids can keep your kit neat and tidy. Pack the vehicle in such a way that the things you need first to set up camp are those closest to the doors. Pack so that things don't rattle! Practice loading before you go so that there is a place for everything. Consider fitting a dog guard. Not only does it give greater flexibility when packing, it also means that in the unlikely event of an accident, all the kit in the back will stay in the back and not go flying around the cabin. Choice of camping kit can be a very personal thing and there isn't really a right or wrong answer - only what works for you. My philosophy has always been to make life easy and, within practical limits, to camp in comfort. Just think about all of the things that you need to be able to do - cooking, washing, sleeping, eating, etc - and work out how you are going to do them with the minimum of faffing around. Whilst it may be a little overkill for a European trip, if you fancy a bit of light reading on the subject then I can recommend Tom Sheppards' 'Vehicle Dependant Expedition Guide'. Very thorough and very easy to read. Hope some this helps. Darren 110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak "You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought!" - Princess Leia |
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12th Sep 2011 11:11pm |
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| shazzy90 Member Since: 17 Dec 2010 Location: tyneside Posts: 489 |
try to use a stove with cans of gas,bottled gas over there uses a different regulator ,as i found out ended up having to buy a small 1 ring stove with 5 cans of gas,which i still use back home
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