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LandRoverAnorak

Member Since: 17 Jul 2011
Location: Surrey
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2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Orkney Grey

Do you mean the one in the cammo wrap about 3.40 minutes in, as that's a five door with the rear doors covered over? The only ones I can see in the snow are station wagons (unless I'm watching the wrong video)

Darren

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30th Sep 2021 1:41pm

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS DCPU Keswick Green

ChasingOurTrunks wrote:
Just a quick point of clarification:

What I heard is that they are offering the 5-door wagon and a pickup.

The wagon is coming in two configurations: A 5-seat wagon AND a 2-seat commercial variant

I think to be clear we need to adopt Ineos' nomenclature:

Station Wagon ~ has 5 doors and 5 seats
Utility Wagon, 2 seat ~ has 5 doors and 2 seats and deemed to be commercial
Utility Wagon, 5 seat ~ has 5 doors and 5 seats and deemed to be commercial

Then to follow:

Double cab pick up ~

Off to find this 2 door version in the snow...

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Last edited by Supacat on 30th Sep 2021 2:29pm. Edited 2 times in total

30th Sep 2021 2:15pm

LandRoverAnorak

Member Since: 17 Jul 2011
Location: Surrey
Posts: 11240

I think you've got the utility wagons mixed up. Darren

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30th Sep 2021 2:19pm

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

I knew I'd get it wrong.

Now edited to be correct.

Last edited by Supacat on 1st Oct 2021 7:08am. Edited 1 time in total

30th Sep 2021 2:28pm

mikeh501

Member Since: 07 Jan 2013
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 1142

both the utility wagon configs are on the configurator and you can see the 2nd row seats which are more upright with a dog guard behind, and a larger load area. its a bit like a DCPU without being a pickup.

30th Sep 2021 2:30pm

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

Right, I've found the photos to show the difference 👍

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30th Sep 2021 2:56pm

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 16858

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey

I imagine that the commercial will be too heavy to qualify as a DPV, so presumably will be subject to commercial speed limits but will be in the N1 road tax class. The non-commercial will be subject to car limits but the downside will be the M1 road tax.

I know which I would choose!

30th Sep 2021 3:43pm

mikeh501

Member Since: 07 Jan 2013
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 1142

So would that be 275 pa road tax if its treated as a van/lcv? So the downside is 60 in a 70 singel carriageway? id have thought you would be seriously unlucky to be picked up on that tbh.

30th Sep 2021 4:47pm

CarMan

Member Since: 29 Nov 2010
Location: Cotswolds
Posts: 1777

I know this has been debated elsewhere, but is a 5 seat utility wagon VAT reclaimable and a van for bik purposes - I was never convinced that was the case for a 110 USW

Rob

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30th Sep 2021 5:02pm

ChasingOurTrunks

Member Since: 19 Aug 2020
Location: Canada
Posts: 89

LandRoverAnorak wrote:
Do you mean the one in the cammo wrap about 3.40 minutes in, as that's a five door with the rear doors covered over? The only ones I can see in the snow are station wagons (unless I'm watching the wrong video)

I might have been wrong about being wrong! Your right that does just have the rear doors covered over. I could have sworn ASPW spoke about the 2 door commercial variant too but can’t recall where in the video that was.

30th Sep 2021 5:37pm

Inigo

Member Since: 13 Nov 2011
Location: Kent
Posts: 614

2012 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Orkney Grey

CarMan wrote:
I know this has been debated elsewhere, but is a 5 seat utility wagon VAT reclaimable and a van for bik purposes - I was never convinced that was the case for a 110 USW

Well my 110 USW has been registered that way and HMRC haven't complained over the last 10 years. I plan to do the same with the 5 seat Utility Grenadier.

30th Sep 2021 5:40pm

ChasingOurTrunks

Member Since: 19 Aug 2020
Location: Canada
Posts: 89

Supacat wrote:
ChasingOurTrunks wrote:
Just a quick point of clarification:

What I heard is that they are offering the 5-door wagon and a pickup.

The wagon is coming in two configurations: A 5-seat wagon AND a 2-seat commercial variant

I think to be clear we need to adopt Ineos' nomenclature:

Station Wagon ~ has 5 doors and 5 seats
Utility Wagon, 2 seat ~ has 5 doors and 2 seats and deemed to be commercial
Utility Wagon, 5 seat ~ has 5 doors and 5 seats and deemed to be commercial

Then to follow:

Double cab pick up ~

Off to find this 2 door version in the snow...

Click image to enlarge

I think I was confused Supacat - that camo’d one you posted a pic of is the one I’m talking about. I could have sworn it was in the snow but in watching it again it looks like I confused the grey concrete for snowy conditions - you’d think as a Canadian I’d be able to tell the difference

but I’ll blame my tiny phone screen.

On my tiny screen it looked like a 2 door but now that I see it bigger it’s a camo’d 4 door. As I previously said I thought ASPW said something about a 2 door but I’d have to go back through to find the time stamp, and given I couldn’t tell the difference between snow and concrete I’m taking myself out of the running as a reliable witness till I watch the video again

I just quickly scrubbed through the vid and couldn’t find any mention. If a two door. If anyone is looking with fresh eyes maybe let us know?

30th Sep 2021 5:41pm

Bluest

Member Since: 23 Apr 2016
Location: Lancashire
Posts: 3996

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Java Black

AsPW did talk about 2 doors but I'm convinced he just assumed 2 seats were 2 doors 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS

30th Sep 2021 6:09pm

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

Having now watched his video in full, he talks repeatedly about a "2 door van". Given the only other reference to a 2 door model was also in the Australian press, then maybe they have both picked up on an Aussie press release or online event where someone has mis spoken or let the cat out of the bag on an upcoming development.

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Don't forget there's also a 7 seat variant on the longer wheelbase (double cab) chassis that's been confirmed in the press then gone all silent on?

Last edited by Supacat on 12th Oct 2021 6:34am. Edited 1 time in total

30th Sep 2021 6:38pm

ChasingOurTrunks

Member Since: 19 Aug 2020
Location: Canada
Posts: 89

Thanks Supacat and Bluest. I can cancel the neurological specialist appointment next week. as I am not going crazy like I thought!

30th Sep 2021 7:03pm

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