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Eppilihp

Member Since: 10 Aug 2019
Location: Emmental
Posts: 56

MY88 One Ten chassis question

Hi

I have a 1988 LHD One Ten (originally 19J, later converted to a Tdi 200). So far so good. I am currently trying to replace the original radiator from the 19J with a radiator and frame for a 200 Tdi. However, this doesn't work, the intercooler does not fit as it sits too close to the steering box. I noticed, that my frame / radiator mounts are entirely different from what I have seen elsewhere:

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Question: are these mounts really original or modified for some reasons? I guess the latter...

Philippe

19th Aug 2021 8:44pm

Dinnu

Member Since: 24 Dec 2019
Location: Lija
Posts: 3206

2012 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 CSW Santorini Black

I am pretty sure that someone has been there with an angle grinder and a welding torch.

Here are some shots from my 1988 90. Front end of the chassis is identical to that of a 110.

Not that it matters anymore, but the 200tdi radiator is a bit taller than that of the 19J (I think also deeper), so to fit a 200tdi rad on a pre 200tdi chassis, the radiator mounts have to be lowered.

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Click image to enlarge 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing
2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black

19th Aug 2021 9:16pm

rallysteve

Member Since: 10 Feb 2014
Location: Cumbria
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19th Aug 2021 9:22pm

Eppilihp

Member Since: 10 Aug 2019
Location: Emmental
Posts: 56

Thanks, that is what I assume.

You mean if I weld the original Tdi mounts then it won't fit because the frame is higher than the old radiator?

Another thing, it looks as if the 200 Tdi radiator is also slightly slanted inwards, or is that just an optical illusion?

There was no AC but a large intercooler in front of the old radiator.

20th Aug 2021 7:14am

donmacn

Member Since: 07 Nov 2017
Location: Nth Scotland
Posts: 1829

^^
If it's an optical illusion, I'm seeing it too, and wondered the same thing.

I'm currently working on a '98 300Tdi and we've had to replace the radiator/intercooler frame. In that instance, I think those brackets are level.

If you have a full width intercooler, forward of the radiator position, why not just continue to use that, and modify the 200Tdi radiator frame to fit your existing mounts and to clear the steering box? Donald

1994 Defender 300Tdi 110 SW - owned since 2002 - 230k miles and going strong
(The 'rolling restoration' or tinkering thread: http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic58538.html )
2000 Range Rover P38 4.0L V8

in the past..
RR classic - fitted with 200Tdi
1984 RR classic - V8 with ZF auto box
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not to mention the minis and the Type 2 VW camper...

20th Aug 2021 11:11am

Dinnu

Member Since: 24 Dec 2019
Location: Lija
Posts: 3206

Eppilihp wrote:

You mean if I weld the original Tdi mounts then it won't fit because the frame is higher than the old radiator?

Another thing, it looks as if the 200 Tdi radiator is also slightly slanted inwards, or is that just an optical illusion?

If you weld 200tdi rad mounts, a 200tdi radiator will fit perfectly as the cross member remained the same. If you weld the 19J radiator mounts and fit the 200tdi radiator, the radiator will fit too high and will have an issue to close the bonnet.

I am not sure about tilt, but to my eye I always see them parallel to the grille. 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing
2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black

20th Aug 2021 12:27pm

Dinnu

Member Since: 24 Dec 2019
Location: Lija
Posts: 3206

Ensure that the rad is positioned correctly as if not and you fit the cowl, it could foul with the engine or fan or both. 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing
2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black

20th Aug 2021 12:29pm

Eppilihp

Member Since: 10 Aug 2019
Location: Emmental
Posts: 56

Quote:
If you have a full width intercooler, forward of the radiator position, why not just continue to use that, and modify the 200Tdi radiator frame to fit your existing mounts and to clear the steering box?

That's one of the options I had, however, it is pretty beaten too and the pipe connections are not optimal. Plus I thought the smaller ones increase the responsiveness a little bit.

21st Aug 2021 8:47am

Eppilihp

Member Since: 10 Aug 2019
Location: Emmental
Posts: 56

Dinnu wrote:
Eppilihp wrote:

You mean if I weld the original Tdi mounts then it won't fit because the frame is higher than the old radiator?

Another thing, it looks as if the 200 Tdi radiator is also slightly slanted inwards, or is that just an optical illusion?

If you weld 200tdi rad mounts, a 200tdi radiator will fit perfectly as the cross member remained the same. If you weld the 19J radiator mounts and fit the 200tdi radiator, the radiator will fit too high and will have an issue to close the bonnet.

I am not sure about tilt, but to my eye I always see them parallel to the grille.

Are you sure wrt the different radiator mounts? I thought the chassis (and thus also the mounts) were the same at least between 1987 and 1998?

21st Aug 2021 6:26pm

Dinnu

Member Since: 24 Dec 2019
Location: Lija
Posts: 3206

Hmmm, maybe you are right, but for sure the engine mounts and gearbox crossmember changed for the 300tdi.

As we do know that the 19J is not the best engine ever made by LandRover, I was making my research to upgrade to 200 engine, and all information I could find is that the radiator mounts need to be lowered. Now I do not know the exact reason, that is, if the radiator from the 200 is actually taller, or because of the difference in radiator top mounts. 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing
2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black

21st Aug 2021 9:28pm

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