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Bosun



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2008 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Tonga Green
Idle jack
Hi,
What is "idle jack" and what does it do?

The reason I ask is that, when driving in low box at low idle speed there is much clattering from the transmission. However, if I increase the idle speed slightly the clattering goes away. Should the idle speed rise in low box?
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Landie Boy



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Hi,

Idle jack is designed to keep the Defender going at a constant speed. i.e. on a hill or going over rocks etc.. as you would be going on a tarmac flat surface.

I think there was a thread on this before, do a search.

HTH

Jack
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bpman



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might be related to this ...



Rolling with laughter
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eutek



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United Kingdom 2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Stornoway Grey
Re: Idle jack
Bosun wrote:
Hi,
What is "idle jack" and what does it do?

The reason I ask is that, when driving in low box at low idle speed there is much clattering from the transmission. However, if I increase the idle speed slightly the clattering goes away. Should the idle speed rise in low box?


I get the same rattling and clattering in high as well... Crying or Very sad
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blackwolf



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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey
Landie Boy wrote:
Hi,

Idle jack is designed to keep the Defender going at a constant speed. i.e. on a hill or going over rocks etc.. as you would be going on a tarmac flat surface.

I think there was a thread on this before, do a search.

HTH

Jack


Not quite; anti-stall does that. The idle jack is provided because low first on a Puma (with the GFT MT82 six speed main box) is so low geared it would provide a dangerous amount of engine braking on steep off-road descents resulting in loss of control. Hence the idle speed increases under these conditions to match the vehicle speed roughly to that of a vehicle with the five speed R380.

The chatter is the result of backlash in the transmission, the engine power characteristics, and possibly the classic Puma clutch problem, and seems to be normal sadly.
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tatra805



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Slovakia 2008 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 CSW Bonatti Grey
Inspired by this topic i made a couple of videos.

Couldnt find a lot on the web clearly illustrating the idle control of the puma.

All videos are made with feet from the pedals and in 1st low diff lock engaged.
FYI going uphil 1100rpm, downhill going up to +-1800rpm
Yes, the clutch is 1st generation and makes a lot of noise (60000km)

Uphill outside


Uphill inside



Downhill outside



Downhill Inside



And as a reference a pic showing the incline



Without intending to start a brand bashing discussion, on the hill in the video Landrovers (Def/D3 and RR) are the only ones driving up on idle. We've tried it with other normal 4x4's and they will all stall at some point.

Just as a sidenote the 110 drives it up during rain also, with TC engaging at different points but without drama or risk. And that just makes me smile big time everytime.

:D

Admin note: this post has had its images recovered from a money grabbing photo hosting site and reinstated Mr. Green
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