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| Zagato Site Supporter Member Since: 08 Jan 2011 Location: Billingshurst West Sussex Posts: 4990  
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A Canoe is something Red Indians paddle about in! Canadian anyway! Big, pricey but very stable on rivers/lakes - good for a family! As far as I know it's about the hull shape and style so you can get smaller sit in canoes!
A Kayak is shown below either sit on like mine of sit in! "Sit ons" are alot more stable and don't fill with water, "sit ins" are less stable but quicker through the water! 
I bought this yesterday an Ocean Kayak Trident 15 It's the biggest damn thing you can get  Same length as the Defender at 4.8 metres, nearly 16' Cost £800 then another £300 for trolley, paddles, seat etc etc. It's the top thing on the market for Sea Fishing Kayaks but you can get river kayaks for £400 and cheaper 
Admin note: this post has had its images recovered from a money grabbing photo hosting site and reinstated  Last edited by Zagato on 3rd Aug 2011 1:16pm. Edited 3 times in total |
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3rd Aug 2011 12:58pm |
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| GREENI Member Since: 22 Aug 2010 Location: staffs Posts: 10363
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Thanks Zag
so can you get sit-ons for two, like a tandem??
Any advice on the best website for kit, good brands, bad brands? What do you use that for, rivers, lakes etc. Sorry for million questions...just keen that's all ! p.s someone rolled the digger  |
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3rd Aug 2011 1:02pm |
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| GREENI Member Since: 22 Aug 2010 Location: staffs Posts: 10363
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Ocean going...see what I missed there !
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3rd Aug 2011 1:03pm |
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| Zagato Site Supporter Member Since: 08 Jan 2011 Location: Billingshurst West Sussex Posts: 4990
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This is a good site, took me a couple of days to find out what I wanted backed up with phone calls http://www.canoe-shops.co.uk/index.htm
Best thing would be to call them and get advice on what type of kayak for your use and go through the sites to compare specs etc. Prices are all pretty tight. I only managed to get 10% off mine. Have fun |
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3rd Aug 2011 1:09pm |
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| GREENI Member Since: 22 Aug 2010 Location: staffs Posts: 10363
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Sweet, thanks Zag
The canoe shop link has everything I need to know !!! Brilliant Last edited by GREENI on 3rd Aug 2011 1:14pm. Edited 1 time in total |
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3rd Aug 2011 1:12pm |
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| Zagato Site Supporter Member Since: 08 Jan 2011 Location: Billingshurst West Sussex Posts: 4990
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I am going to put a sail on mine http://www.kayaksailor.com/sailor_resources_faqs.html#17 which is why I went for something so big but I just like BIG
I had great fun in mine yesterday I paddled the 1/2 mile to my boat, had lunch etc on board then spent the next 2 hours just paddling about in areas that I am terrified and can't go to in my Long Keel Yacht Running aground in a long keel is NOT an option  |
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3rd Aug 2011 1:12pm |
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| Zagato Site Supporter Member Since: 08 Jan 2011 Location: Billingshurst West Sussex Posts: 4990
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This is the main site/forum for River paddling
http://www.ukriversguidebook.co.uk/ |
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3rd Aug 2011 1:30pm |
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| markalpha Member Since: 23 Apr 2008 Location: Downham Market Posts: 690  
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Got both sit on and a Canadian both grt fun. As Zag said candian for river and lakes, be careful on large lakes/loch as not very stable with waves.
Sit on grt for sea we have a twin and a single seat. Wife on one and me and son on other. |
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3rd Aug 2011 3:04pm |
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| wyvern Member Since: 14 Dec 2009 Location: Cornwall Posts: 2071 
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Having raced and coached canoe and kayak racing all over the world for many years I feel that can confirm the following ...
A canoe is propelled by a single ended paddle from a kneeling position (but this can be varied in non-racing boats to sitting). The boat is often open for 7/8th of its length, but in white-water and slalom craft the boat is fully covered with a small cockpit. The origins are given to the north American Indian -and are know in the sport as 'Canadians' - I used to race a C1 (single Canadian canoe) and C2 (double) Whist a kayak is propelled by a double ended paddle from a sitting position and is fully enclosed with a cockpit. The origins here are given to the Greenland Eskimo who built a light weight sea going craft to hunt with. again I raced K1 (single Kayak) K2 and K4 (double and 4 seat racing kayaks) the sit on top (SOT) craft are 'technically' classed as a Ski, such as a wave-ski (short surf craft)or surf-ski (long surf lifesaving racing craft) We live in Cornwall and have competed in surf competitions on wave skis all over the UK, known as ‘goat-boats to the stand up surfers …! (as I’m sure some of my surfing colleges here will confirm) The SOT's are making a big in road into the market as they are stable and reasonably safe, however the performance of the SOT is not able to match that of a kayak. So it doesn’t matter what you paddle as long as you can get out and enjoy the water in a safe way! Poppy - TDCI (Puma) 110XS 2.2 - Camper conversion - see the build here - https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic56530.html
Elgar -TDCI(Puma) 110XS Dormobile - now sold Devon & Cornwall 4x4 Response - DC126 |
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3rd Aug 2011 6:50pm |
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| Zagato Site Supporter Member Since: 08 Jan 2011 Location: Billingshurst West Sussex Posts: 4990
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Interesting Wyvern
- be prepared to get bombarded with questions
What are paddle keepers? Why and how would you use a scuttle bung? Is there a river/canal guide book. I fancied going on some stretches of the Thames and also the canals/river around Guildford - I have seen some sections of UK rivers are closed to Kayaks can you get info from anywhere? Sorry for the questions. |
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3rd Aug 2011 7:02pm |
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| wyvern Member Since: 14 Dec 2009 Location: Cornwall Posts: 2071
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Hi Zagto
Paddle keepers are bits of cord that you pop around your paddles when in rough water or at sea so as if you loose hold of the shaft then the paddle will still be attached to your boat (like a leash on a surf board) only used on sea kayaks normaly nowadays -or for those who want to go fishing!!
A scuttle bung is to help you empty a boat when its got water in it ... normally at the tail of the boat so after getting most of the water out, you undo the bung, up end the boat and let the residual water drain out. The SOT's may also have one to equalise the air in the craft in hot weather.. so its a useful tool provided that you remember to put it back in before you set off again!
The BCU website will give you information on Access rights on most of the British waterways - the Thames is a licensed river, so you need to pay a fee to use it. Most canals are also licensed, but joining the BCU gives you cover for all the British waterways and some of the rivers as well – as well as 3rd part insurance etc… Google BCU and see their section on access rights etc.. Books and maps on waterways are easily found as most are in the British waterways listings as navigations. Amazon will also have some there as well. OS maps are equally as good as weirs and locks are shown on the maps. Hope that helps Poppy - TDCI (Puma) 110XS 2.2 - Camper conversion - see the build here - https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic56530.html
Elgar -TDCI(Puma) 110XS Dormobile - now sold Devon & Cornwall 4x4 Response - DC126 |
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3rd Aug 2011 7:47pm |
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| Zagato Site Supporter Member Since: 08 Jan 2011 Location: Billingshurst West Sussex Posts: 4990
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Thanks mate, that's really helpful. A paddle keep should have come with my boat so I will pick one up from them!
I have just been looking at doing the Thames, Cricklade to Teddington 136 miles over 6 days maybe - that would be a great trip especially if I tied it in with raising cash for a charity |
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3rd Aug 2011 8:00pm |
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| wyvern Member Since: 14 Dec 2009 Location: Cornwall Posts: 2071
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Hi Zagato
Thames decent –25 miles a day for a non-racer is a good distance and should take you about 6 days but it depends on the type of craft you intend to paddle. A true kayak is the best way to go as a SOT are much heavier and harder to carry when needed. 
If you are in a SOT,. Then make sure that you have your bum higher than your feet, have a good footrest, dont lean backwards (definitely no backrests!) have good paddles with proper hand grips, and don’t go too fast at the onset. 
If you have not paddled before, or have only minimal experience, then I would strongly recommend you pop into one of the canoe clubs in your area (Adellstone, Royal, Richmond, Elmbridge) and ask for some paddling advice - as you can hurt yourself if you overstress your wrists and get repetitive strain injury through poor technique for that distance.
I paddled Cricklade to Westminster in 27hrs non-stop some years ago ... but that was a fun thing to do as we were training a decent of the Mississippi that never came off and had to find a long downhill paddle to practice on! Poppy - TDCI (Puma) 110XS 2.2 - Camper conversion - see the build here - https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic56530.html
Elgar -TDCI(Puma) 110XS Dormobile - now sold Devon & Cornwall 4x4 Response - DC126 |
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3rd Aug 2011 9:12pm |
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| mse Member Since: 06 Apr 2008 Location: UK Posts: 5024 
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I used to do a lot of white water in the Canadian's...although my canoeing stars were in a kayak - i got progressively more into canadians and less into kayaks - capsizing was just a pain, which was funny as my skulling became increasingly improved as my desire to capsize increased
Anyway - if you want to white water a canadian, you get inflatable bags (or you did when i was into it 10yrs ago) and they take up the majority of the void - i also knew people who would tie themselves into the canadian one man operation you need one *ideally* but not essentially - with a central kneeling seat which you straddle like a bike rather than the conventionally directed seats.
Good old days - reminding me of spuds and everything! still was more into climbing which is why i was the mountain instructor and my dad was the canoe and rafting instructor. Mike |
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3rd Aug 2011 9:25pm |
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