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Axel

Member Since: 22 Jun 2011
Location: Bochum
Posts: 107

2012 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 SW Keswick Green

I think here in Germany you could get away with that ... You need an MOT-engineer to approve it ... and the bumber carrying the winch will then be classified as a "mounting device" for a tool (i.e. winch) ... otherwise steel bumpers and bull-bars are no longer allowed over here .... Best Regards,

Axel

27th Jul 2011 3:03pm

spudfan

Member Since: 10 Sep 2007
Location: Co Donegal
Posts: 4502

Just a thought. Owing to the way a Defender is built, if the metal bumper is removed would that not make it more fragile in a frontal collision? 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali
2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu
2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai

27th Jul 2011 3:21pm

NinetyTD4

Member Since: 22 Apr 2011
Location: North
Posts: 397

spudfan wrote:
Just a thought. Owing to the way a Defender is built, if the metal bumper is removed would that not make it more fragile in a frontal collision?

Exactly that is the purpose - pull energy from the collision and destruction of flesh to the destruction of your car. The Defender was constructed in a time where passive safety meant "destroy anything in your way" - like old MB S-series and tanks. Never forget: cars have owner, Landrover have field service personnel.

27th Jul 2011 4:34pm

Axel

Member Since: 22 Jun 2011
Location: Bochum
Posts: 107

Axel wrote:
Zagato wrote:
If you get plastic bumpers and don't like them just put the old metal ones on I'll take them off you, at least they won't rust

Yeah! .... or a winch bumper ....

Zagato wrote:
It's nothing to take the edge of the excitement of getting your new Defender - Congrats and I hope the wait isn't that long - people seem to be getting theirs at least a couple of months earlier than initially expected

The sooner, the better .... I can't wait to get my hands on it!!!!

Thanks, Karl .....

However, the pages that come up following your link still seem to point to MY10 and 11 .... at least I did not see any reference to MY12 ....

Thanks anyhow! Nice link!!!

Best Regards,

Axel

28th Jul 2011 9:28am

TallPaul

Member Since: 28 Aug 2007
Location: Nr Reading
Posts: 270

MY12 is there now, but no documents... Disco 3 gone but the memory of the bills remain...
XS 110 Utility maybe one day..... (did they fix the quality yet?)

4th Aug 2011 1:00pm

Glynparry25

Member Since: 16 Feb 2009
Location: Miserable Midlands
Posts: 3015

2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS DCPU Tonga Green

Axel wrote:
I think here in Germany you could get away with that ... You need an MOT-engineer to approve it ... and the bumber carrying the winch will then be classified as a "mounting device" for a tool (i.e. winch) ... otherwise steel bumpers and bull-bars are no longer allowed over here ....

Yep, completely true, but the strange thing is that if you were to fit the bumper without a winch it would be illegal!!

If it comes thrugh and it isn't what you want you are completely in your rights to turn it down...... then find a nearly new MY11

Glyn

4th Aug 2011 1:10pm

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