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| DSL Member Since: 20 Aug 2007 Location: Wandering the wasteland. Posts: 837  
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I think that would officially be classed as wishful thinking.
As a potential buyer I’m not even thinking about the 2.0l models so unless the 3.0l engine turns out to be a turkey (thinking crank on 3.0 TDV6) I doubt it would help values. Rare does not necessarily mean value. 
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26th Nov 2020 5:02pm |
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| J77 Member Since: 04 Nov 2019 Location: Fife Posts: 3246 
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Come 2030 they’ll all be collector items
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26th Nov 2020 5:05pm |
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| DSL Member Since: 20 Aug 2007 Location: Wandering the wasteland. Posts: 837
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I might have one by then.
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26th Nov 2020 5:08pm |
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| J77 Member Since: 04 Nov 2019 Location: Fife Posts: 3246
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The 90s may actually be in production by then.
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26th Nov 2020 5:09pm |
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| DSL Member Since: 20 Aug 2007 Location: Wandering the wasteland. Posts: 837
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Possibly.
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26th Nov 2020 5:10pm |
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| Enid_Puceflange Member Since: 25 Oct 2014 Location: edinburgh Posts: 1168 
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If there’s any left on the road by then How many of the pre 2013 RR Sport do you see kicking about? They get to a stage they are just worth scrapping My confidence has been writing cheques that my abilities can't cash for years. |
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26th Nov 2020 9:34pm |
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| zilch Member Since: 11 Sep 2019 Location: Whitsundays & Sydney Posts: 781 
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Plenty in oz, I see loads of L320's knocking around, and common on the car trading sites as well yet another pommie bar steward down under MY20 110 P400 SE Defender MY10 3.0 RR Sport |
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26th Nov 2020 10:51pm |
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| Rashers Member Since: 21 Jun 2015 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3336 
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Fuzz Townsend summed modern cars up in the Subaru Impreza edition of Car SOS - and I am paraphrasing;
He likened a modern car to a Hamster. You buy a new one and you put it in a wheel. It runs round and round and round. Then within no time, it curls up and dies. He was likening the rot they had found on the Impreza saying that although it was only 20 years or so old, it just wasn't designed for longevity. If you look back at cars, they do seem to just suddenly disappear when they get to a certain age. There seemed a point when Ford Escorts were everywhere, and then one day, they weren't. Cortina's did a similar disappearing act. When I started at work, every man and his dog had a Cortina, then a Sierra, then they didn't. As has been said, this is where the carbon footprint of motoring really is. The inability to maintain and keep a vehicle on the road more than ten or so years before, as Enid so rightly says, they become no more than scrapyard fodder. |
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26th Nov 2020 11:23pm |
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| Mossberg Member Since: 29 Feb 2020 Location: Lancs Posts: 552 
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I think that the cancer in modern cars is the electrical element, not the structural/mechanical one. The roll the ECU plays is huge and it relies on so much wire, sensors and connectors which are all potential hard to find fail points.
The cost of repairing an electrical fault is often not the parts and labour to do it, but the dozen times it has to be returned because the last fix did not actually fix a problem. I would not be surprised if out of all high end vehicles produced today, 95% of those scrapped will be due to electricery rather than mechanical or rot. A good auto electrician will be well sought after. I totally agree on the real 'green" impact of cars bring the frequency of change too. One more thought - will electric vehicles become more reliable than combustion vehicles due to them having less sensors? After all they don't have all the exhaust/gearbox/etc sensors - but then I do not know anything about electric vehicles. I bought my 300tdi because it is probably about as basic as I could get - though it is odd having to lock each door with a key and winding the windows down! |
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27th Nov 2020 5:07am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 16868 
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^^ I agree. When I was a child, the life of a car was determined by rust. Typically before a car was ten years old, the rust on the body was such that the car simply couldn't be repaired. Then the boffins came up with ways to inhibit the rust, and now you'll find 20-year-old cars with less rust than a 5-year-old car would have had in the 1960s.
It is now component obsolescence, complexity, and parts and labour prices that kill cars, and as the electronic dependence increases this will get worse. Software support will also become a factor. I also personally think that far too little attention is given to the environmental impact of modern electronic systems, which require some of the nastiest chemicals used anyway, and some of the rarest minerals, in significant volumes.
I think that you could well be right if you consider production vehicles, i.e., those which have in theory been freely availabel for sale to the public and which are not bespoke limited editions. I seriously doubt that they will become high-value collectibles, though, but stranger things have happened. |
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27th Nov 2020 11:43am |
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| Rashers Member Since: 21 Jun 2015 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3336
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They are fair comments Gents.
A 10 year old car with an ABS fault light is hardly worth the time, effort or cost to repair? |
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27th Nov 2020 12:01pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 16868
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Precisely, and yet it is completely usable even with the light on and, even if the ABS is non-functional, no less safe than a car which never had ABS which can still be driven legally. Yet the one with the ABS light cannot legally be driven any more since it is an MoT test failure.
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27th Nov 2020 1:51pm |
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| Gareth Member Since: 12 Dec 2011 Location: Bramhall Posts: 1038  
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The other side of that coin would be that it became illegal to drive cars that didn’t have ABS! Imagine how well that would go down with the masses! 😂 2021 Defender 110 X-Dynamic HSE D300 MHEV
1966 S2a 109 aka Betsy 1968 S2a 88 aka Bob 2014 Jaaaag F Type 3.0 Supercharged. |
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27th Nov 2020 2:25pm |
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| DSL Member Since: 20 Aug 2007 Location: Wandering the wasteland. Posts: 837
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What would we do without widgets to switch off things like EMLs? And before peeps send my phone number to Greta Thunberg (or similar) it’s on my 13 year old Jazz, which is just a faulty O2 sensor. It doesn’t equate to me killing off the polar bears single handedly, the mpg is bang on where it’s always been (high 40s/low 50s) and the MOT emission numbers are in the middle of the ranges. However, if I wanted it fixed I’d have to pay not far off the value of the car to replace the sensor, far cheaper to get a widget.
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27th Nov 2020 2:39pm |
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