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John P



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Which garage lights to install?
My current old 8ft fluorescent tubes are slowly dying. Out of the 6 I have in my garage, only 2 are now working. So I think it's time to replace with a better LED efficient lighting system. I really don't understand the whole lumens and colour temperature concept. (I'm showing my age. Sad )

They need to be low profile, so when I jack up my Defender or D3, I get maximum space. The current profile height of my 8ft fittings are around 3 to 4 inches. Ideally I would like to have a lower profile.

Who's installed what, or can anybody give some pointers/ideas.

Thanks
John
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Retroanaconda



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I bought some LED battens from Screwfix for mine, think they were LAP branded. Nice and bright and turn on instantly unlike old fluorescent tubes. Cheap enough too, and rated waterproof.
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Scotm



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I just changed my tubes for LED ones and kept existing fittings. Think new starters came with the led tubes.
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John P



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Do you know what the lumens and colour temperature were? There seems to be quite a range from Screwfix.
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I bought 4 of the LAP LED lights from Screwfix, I think you got a bit of discount for buying the fourth one. The lights are mounted one in each quadrant of the garage and give of a balanced light across the entire floor

https://www.screwfix.com/p/lap-single-5ft-...00lm/1079v


I reckon you could easily mount them on the side walls of the garage for a similar light spread..... I have two mounted that way on another garage that’s smaller and somewhat older/ darker than the house garage and they work just fine that way. I think you can run up to 5 or so in series making the wiring simple... 2002 Td5 | 90 County Station Wagon | Oslo Blue
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Rashers



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Light brightness will be recorded as the K figure. 4000k would be a normal standard light temperature for say an office. Higher temperatures (4500k, 5000k) the cooler colour becomes or more blue. The lower the number the warmer the white or more orange the light.

4000k or 5000k will be fine for a garage workshop. Fluorescent tubes had similar ratings except domestically we used to call them cool white or daylight tubes.

Hope that helps
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Scotm wrote:
I just changed my tubes for LED ones and kept existing fittings. Think new starters came with the led tubes.


Me too. I got mine from Toolstation and all I had to do was fit the starters they came with. They come on instantly and seem to last well.
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Lumens is a rating of how much or bright the light gives off.

Colour temp is rated that the higher the number, say 6000k the more blue white the light. Lower number, 3000k for instance, the warmer the light. 2700-3000 being similar to an incandescent traditional filament light bulb. Or the old style Defender 7” headlights. 6000k is more like the bright blue white fridge lights.

Do not confuse lumens with temp. Just because a light is warmer does not mean that it is giving off less light. I would look for the leds for your garage to be 4000k, easy on the eye and not like opening a fridge. I’ve just fitted the same a month ago and really pleased.
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Retroanaconda



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John P wrote:
Do you know what the lumens and colour temperature were? There seems to be quite a range from Screwfix.


Mine were the same as the ones Bev posted a link to. They can link up to 8 in a row I think.
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Rashers



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Also worth noting that the lights wattage is not directly proportional to the light output. This is why we now use lumens as an output. One 40 watt led strip light may have a higher light output than another whereas a 60 watt light bulb was more or less the same whichever bulb you bought.

Mostly, the more money you pay for your lighting, the more efficient the LED lighting will be. This is the lumens per watts.

Screwfix LED lights will be at the value end of the market and perhaps not as efficient as more expensive ones. Saying that, I have Screwfix lights at home. Some LED strip lighting will not be much more efficient than a fluorescent (although they should be more efficient than a T12 8ft Fluorescent!).

Nothing wrong with Screwfix Thumbs Up
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Rashers



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Joe the Plumber wrote:
Scotm wrote:
I just changed my tubes for LED ones and kept existing fittings. Think new starters came with the led tubes.


Me too. I got mine from Toolstation and all I had to do was fit the starters they came with. They come on instantly and seem to last well.


If you have existing 8ft Tubes, you may struggle to find replacement LED Tubes to retrofit in your existing light fittings.

Google 8ft LED Tubes I found these:

https://ledsave.co.uk/2400mm-8ft-t8-led-tube.html

Never used the company so can’t vouch for them.
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John P



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Thanks for all your suggestions. Replacing the 8ft tubes sounds like a good idea, so I won't have to re-wire etc.

I looked at Toolstation, and they don't seem to have the 8ft LED tubes.

I found the below, so would these work?

https://lowenergysupermarket.com/product/l...gLcrvD_BwE

Thanks
John
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I’ve just fitted LAP 4ft 22W 2100lm from Screwfix in my Garage, £26ish each - very bright. 2 is plenty for an 8x5m space. They daisy-chain together which is handy.
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Rashers



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John P wrote:
Thanks for all your suggestions. Replacing the 8ft tubes sounds like a good idea, so I won't have to re-wire etc.

I looked at Toolstation, and they don't seem to have the 8ft LED tubes.

I found the below, so would these work?

https://lowenergysupermarket.com/product/l...gLcrvD_BwE

Thanks
John


Yes John. Just what you need. The only caveat is do your fluorescents have starter switches in them? If they do, easy fix. Take the fluorescent starter out, fit the LED fake starter in.

If they don’t, you will need to do a bit of internal rewiring within the fluorescent. If this is the case let me know and I will explain what you need to do Thumbs Up
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John P



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If you mean the little cylinder starter that plugs in the side with 2 pins, then yes.
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