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Ads90



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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 CSW Keswick Green
Grenadier or Bronco?
So the Grenadier looks like a proper utility 4x4, spiritual successor to the Defender, ready for work.
The Bronco on the other hand more leisure orientated, but looks like it would be fun to own & drive.

If you were looking to buy a new 4x4 (& the new Defender isn't doing it for you), and the Bronco & Grenadier were both available in Europe at a similar price - which would you choose?
Post #845024 21st Jul 2020 10:33am
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GREENI



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BRONCO
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ChrisCSL



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As I'm keeping my 110 and looking as a second vehicle. I'd go Bronco, maybe the small one.
If I was replacing my 110 (not) then I'd probably still be more interested in a Bronco. It's from an established manufacture. INEOS is unproven. Also the Grenadier looks like an ungainly 110 which I'm currently struggling with. Be interesting to see one in the 'flesh'. Also hear how it's progressing with manufacturing (Daimler or Wales) to see if that gives me more confidence.

Like most of you I'm following the INEOS story with interest. However that Bronco really caught my attention. Bet it's affordable too. The new Defender is not on my interest list and is too expensive. Maybe I'll look again once the 90 is out in commercial form with steel wheels and a better price.

Shame no plans announced for Bronco outside of America Sad

Chris
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Adammacky



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Bronco
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AMBxx



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If I were to replace my 110, it would be the Grenadier.
To replace my wife's X1, would be the Bronco.

I just need to convince my wife that a Bronco is more interesting that a Ford Ranger style pickup.
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GREENI



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You can only own a Ranger style pick-up if you go to the gym Mr. Green
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ChrisCSL



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That rules me out of a pick up then Very Happy [/quote]
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Zed



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United Kingdom 2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Santorini Black
Neither. An M57 or EV Defender conversion would be my choice. WARNING.
This post may contain sarcasm.
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Mike c



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England 2004 Defender 90 Td5 CSW Belize Green
Neither, stick with classic Defender Cool
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markb110



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England 2002 Defender 90 Td5 HT Epsom Green
Bronco.

Fun, fun, fun.... Life is too short Very Happy
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devnull



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 2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Stornoway Grey
Go for something with a proper boot.
All these new SW are missing cargo space at the back, below the only kit available to work that out.


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Grenadier



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France 2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Corris Grey
The question would be similar to saying 'Puma Defender 110SW or Cool n Vintage 90'? Very different vehicles and uses. However:

Replacing the DCPU, Grenadier
Preserving the DCPU forever, and there for needing a Daily driver workhorse for where I live, Grenadier.
Cool, summer sun, doors-off fun, Bronco
Something that might fill the spot of a 90 if I wanted one, Bronco
Worldwide touring/overlanding, Grenadier
Robustness and longevity, Grenadier
Off road ragging, Ariel Nomad
Timeless beach fun model, Cool n Vintage 90 and I'd certainly tick the 'bikini model' box on the options list.

Finally price, Bronco. I just don't think the Grenadier, looking at the quality of its parts, will come in at less than £35-40 for the poverty spec varient.

Love both though. Monsieur Le Grenadier

I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list.....

2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey
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defender9



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United Kingdom 2015 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 SW Keswick Green
While I can appreciate the Bronco for what it is I don’t need 30 odd inch wheels and the pumped up look. I’m sure they look good rock crawling or driving down the Pacific Highway in lovely sunshine with the top off but I want a vehicle which can carry all sorts of stuff and not be too worried about scuffing the inside, if it was able to be hosed out that would be good, if I can get in it with my muddy gear on that would be good, if I could put a muddy dog in the back that would be good, if it can tow 3.5 tonnes, that would be good. So essentially thats why I like the Defender but if the Defender had more room inside was a bit more comfortable and the build quality and reliability was up there then it would be a great vehicle for me. So Hopefully the Grenadier will have all those qualities and if so it would be a Grenadier for me.
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Ads90



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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 CSW Keswick Green
Maybe I should have done a poll - maybe included new defender in it too..?

Agree with lots of points above, and M. Grenadier - there's no perfect vehicle is there, I'd have a garage of all those cars if I could afford to - one to scratch every itch!
And either way, if you want something to do exactly what your classic Defender does, keep your classic Defender (which I plan to do regardless of a new purchase).

And it is all hypothetical anyway, as the Grenadier might not happen, and we might not get the Bronco in Europe...

But my serious point is, the disaffected followers of the new Defender rejoiced when Grenadier was previewed.
I now wonder how may of those would now choose a Bronco over a Grenadier, i.e. will the Bronco now threaten the very existence of Grenadier, or will there be sufficient market for both to exist?
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defender9



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United Kingdom 2015 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 SW Keswick Green
Perhaps people who like to pimp up there Defenders with big wheels and lots of add on customised bits may go for the Bronco and if that’s what you like I can see the appeal. However if you want something which is not pretentious, to do a job of work, and be a honest utility vehicle then maybe the Grenadier is for you. Personally I’m in the latter camp but I’m sure there will be room for both of them if the Bronco does come to Europe.
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