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| GREENI Member Since: 22 Aug 2010 Location: staffs Posts: 10359  
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Anybody else not seeing the photos?
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20th Jul 2020 11:09am |
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| Greyman110 Member Since: 29 Sep 2017 Location: London Posts: 323
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Yes...can’t see pics!
Sounds like an interesting, fun build too  |
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20th Jul 2020 11:20am |
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| mk1collector Member Since: 17 Sep 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 6769  
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Me neither. Ray
My build thread http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic17615.html |
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20th Jul 2020 12:27pm |
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| excossack Member Since: 22 Feb 2012 Location: North West Posts: 5738 
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No images in the gallery....
 1999 Defender TD5 110
Regards John M0VAZ Econet Station 48 no clock |
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20th Jul 2020 1:44pm |
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| J12Engineering Member Since: 06 Jun 2020 Location: Edge of the Cotswolds Posts: 30
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 sorry, first time posting on this forum. I uploaded all the images into my gallery and linked from there. I’ll take a look this evening. |
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20th Jul 2020 1:50pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 16871 
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Your gallery contains no photos. I think the linking bit has worked, but maybe not the uploading bit.
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20th Jul 2020 2:05pm |
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| J12Engineering Member Since: 06 Jun 2020 Location: Edge of the Cotswolds Posts: 30
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Lord knows what happened there as the hyperlinks were still pointing at 'My gallery'. I've reloaded the photos and amended/expanded the original narrative
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20th Jul 2020 8:31pm |
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| 90 Dreamer Member Since: 13 Jul 2019 Location: Oop North Posts: 2052 
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Pix now there, looks very intriguing......
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20th Jul 2020 8:35pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 16871
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Your MoT station is, like so many, mistaken. Since your Defender is legally a Dual Purpose Vehicle it should have a Class 4 MoT test, not a Class 7.
Many test stations make this mistake, not helped by some very misleading information supplied a few years ago by the DVSA. I had quite extensive correspondence with DVSA on this subject not all that long ago, since amongst other questions I was intrigued whether it was an offence to use a vehicle on the road which had the wrong class of MoT test certificate. DVSA was evasive on this but did say it was unlikely that you would be prosecuted for having a Class 7 when you should have a Class 4 since a vehicle which passes the former would have passed the latter, but not necessarily vice versa. |
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20th Jul 2020 8:45pm |
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| J12Engineering Member Since: 06 Jun 2020 Location: Edge of the Cotswolds Posts: 30
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Hi Blackwolf, sadly the DVSA's MOT computer said no! Or, more specifically, words to the effect that 'your Approval is incorrect for testing this vehicle'. Consequently, the tester could go no further.
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20th Jul 2020 8:54pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 16871
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If your vehicle has an unladen weight not exceeding 2040kg (which it will, unless it has something exceptionally heavy concealed within it) and a maximum authorised mass not exceeding 3500kg, then it should be tested as Class IV not Class VII and your tester has made a mistake. It is entirely possible however that the MoT Test Database records it as having a Class VII MoT, since this is simply the opinion of the tester who gave it its first MoT, who was probably as uninformed as subsequent testers.
The advice from DVSA in these circumstances is that you should refer the tester to the DVSA enquiry unit. Incidentally there is no reason at all why the tester cannot test it as a Class IV if he believes that that is what it is, testers can change the test category. It is a surprising and generally unsatisfactory fact that the decision as to what class of MoT should be applied is left entirely to the judgement of the tester, and there is nothing (other than experience) to help him decide. If your Defender was a Light Goods Vehicle with an MAM between 3000kg and 3500kg it would indeed be Class VII, but since it is a Dual Purpose Vehicle and not a Light Goods Vehicle, it should be tested at Class IV. Unless you are particularly bothered there is no real advantage in making the amount of fuss needed to correct this, unless of course you are averse to being mis-sold a more expensive MoT test than you require. |
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20th Jul 2020 9:14pm |
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| J12Engineering Member Since: 06 Jun 2020 Location: Edge of the Cotswolds Posts: 30
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Intriguing... Consequently I checked the out the V5 and it is indeed listed as Light Goods Vehicle with a MAM of 3500kg revenue weight.
 Click image to enlarge I've changed taxation classes and other specifications, weights etc before on vehicles, but that was in the 90's and around the PLG grouping. Perhaps I'll drop a note to the DVLA to get their take on whether I can shift it to PLG. |
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20th Jul 2020 9:34pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 16871
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Its taxation class is "Light Goods Vehicle", that is correct, but it is only a taxation class. Its Type Approval classification is N1.
However its type under the Construction and Use Regulations is Dual Purpose Vehicle (as a result of the fact that it has an unladen weight not exceeding 2040kg and full or part time all wheel drive). It is the C&U type classification which determines the MoT classification, and, for that matter, the maximum speed limits which apply when driven on the road. As I said earlier, this is an area where confusion reigns, and much of that confusion reigns amongst the people who should know better. Be that as it may, any vehicle which is a Dual Purpose Vehicle under the C&U Regulations should be tested as a Class IV and not as a Class VII. |
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20th Jul 2020 9:57pm |
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| J12Engineering Member Since: 06 Jun 2020 Location: Edge of the Cotswolds Posts: 30
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Picked up from the paint shop on Friday 😀
Now for replacement of all of the seals and get her back together👍 Click image to enlarge |
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30th Aug 2020 9:50pm |
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