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lightning



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Values in five years
Anybody care to predict how Defender TD5 values will be in five years time? Currently the best TD5 XS Station Wagons are selling for £18-20,000
Apart from very low mileage examples which seem to fetch more.
How do you think this will change by 2025. Higher, lower or the same?
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4RF RDS



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Canada 2000 Defender 110 Td5 XS CSW Epsom Green
Here in Canada definitely higher. 👍🏻 2010 Range Rover MkIII Autobiography Super Charged (Idris)
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2000 Defender 110 CSW TD5 (CTX)
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benniferj



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Really impossible to say as we see how the new Defender catches on and adjusts the market.
5 years on the TD5s will be getting even more high mileage so might get flack for 'failure' at high mileage (more likely incorrect servicing but communities might push towards calling them rubbish)

Im certain my 15p 2003 TD5 110 is worth more than it was when I bought it as the market jumped at that time... whether that holds, increases or decreases is impossible to predict.

As usual best to buy, own, keep for your own enjoyment, rather than base a serious investment on a fleet of them! Insta: @thebenjordan4x4
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miker



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I think something that could counter a rise in price is the increasing difficulty in driving "old dirty diesels" in built up areas.
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GREENI



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@miker...

That could be an advantage, as some may not want to drive in built up areas Laughing


As I've just picked up the g4 edition 90, I was at first thinking about keeping it standard to hold its value, but I don't really want a standard td5, so I'm changing it to suit my own taste, it'll fetch whatever i feel is suitable at the time i come to sell.

I never see Defenders as an investment, though do feel you'll lose less money than most other cars. I've made money on some, lost lots on others... if I was a clever investor, I wouldn't be typing this from my shiddy desk in a filthy office.....
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lightning



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It seems that early TDCi’s are still falling in value and are sometimes cheaper than the equivalent TD5 version.
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mattc



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Twisted are about to release a couple of TD5 models. That will push the price ceiling up a bit.

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Mike c



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Maybe I am odd, but in many ways I dont want the value to increase (neither do I want it drop badly!), as this makes the theft risk go up and worry factor which takes the enjoyment out the vehicle, it also makes you want to justify keeping it..

Thing is I want to enjoy my Land Rover, I am not interested in monetary value as such, the only thing I would change my 90 for if circumstances changed is a 110 of similar age and spec, or possibly a tdci Usw which I think is a great mixture of utility and station wagon plus added refinement.
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Tompoole



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when JL go bust in 5 years ( or sooner) the defender market will be as strong if not stronger than it is now.... Have fun be happy
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Mike c



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The only thing that puts a huge doubt in mind, as mentioned in previous post, is the anti diesel movement which will only gain momentum over the next few years, making it more expensive to own and run one.
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roel



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They say you kill thousands of people driving your dirty diesel, so in 5 years the prisons are full with people who have been driving diesels so the only way to solve that is to introduce the dead penalty again. Whistle Roel

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90 Dreamer



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Easily solved you just release more fuel for the 4x4, Mad Max style......... Laughing
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lightning



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There’s also a lot of Defenders about so there’s no real rarity or supply issue.

I counted over 300 TD5/TDCi for sale this afternoon excluding duplicate listings on different sites. Also there’s now an issue owning one in London and the surrounding areas due to ULEZ

There seem to be a large number of 110’s for sale at the moment. I wonder if these are being cast off by city dwellers who have been using them as family cars.

My brother who lives in London has had to get rid of his.
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lightning



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Looking at 110’s
Values have been pretty much the same since l bought mine back in 2014.
I paid £14,000 and you can still get exactly the same for around the same money.
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4RF RDS



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Canada 2000 Defender 110 Td5 XS CSW Epsom Green
Here in North America its is about supply and demand. Finding a good left hand drive Defender is problematic. Finding a good one in the EU is also getting harder. The stoopid and insane prices being asked in the USA is just that INSANE. Here in Canada we have a 15 year rule to import. So ours can be a 2005 MY now. In the US it is 25 years.

All this to say. I paid €13K ($16K Cdn) five years ago for a German 110, one owner with 110K kilometres on it. It is now worth $50,000 Cdn and goes up a couple thousand every year. I would rather it not do this as I pay insurance on replacement value. Big Cry

It is ridiculous that a good condition, no rust well maintained Defender over here is almost an investment. Some people bring over crap and try to sell them this way. Rolling with laughter I would prefer to have the state of affairs described above. Holding value and not getting silly. Thumbs Up Still we all love our Defenders and hope to keep driving them for many years to come, Cheers. 2010 Range Rover MkIII Autobiography Super Charged (Idris)
2003 Range Rover Mk III (Desmond FitzWilliam)
2000 Defender 110 CSW TD5 (CTX)
1992 Range Rover Classic (Lizzy)
1972 Series III 300 Tdi (Stanwood)
1967 MGB GT

Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats.
H. L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
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