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Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS DCPU Keswick Green

I didn't realise that some journos had been given access in the UK as well:

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https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/a...-road.html

25th Mar 2020 10:33am

22900013A

Member Since: 23 Dec 2010
Location: Oxfordshire
Posts: 3140

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Keswick Green

bpman wrote:
I think the new truck looks great, but its what is under the skin that counts..

a few points to ponder ...

1. what are your thoughts about putting complex electronics in a utilitarian vehicle?
2. Historically have JLR been any good at designing/testing and fitting complex electronics in vehicles?
3. Spline shafts / build consistency?
4. "they all do that sir" - enough said
5. do the key demographic for these vehicles (Farmers, Services etc) have £80k to spend on a vehicle
6. build quality .. (not withstanding UK technicians vs whereever they are being made now)

I'd like one but I'll wait for version 1.1 as I don't want to be an extended JLR tester

my 2p ..

Farmers, services etc are obviously not the target market for this vehicle, and does any ordinary/working person have £80K knocking around for a car? 2011 110 USW
1973 Series III 1-Ton
1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker
1969 IIA 1-Ton
1966 IIA 88"

25th Mar 2020 10:41am

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 16868

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey

bpman wrote:
... 5. do the key demographic for these vehicles (Farmers, Services etc) have £80k to spend on a vehicle
...

Not any more. The key demographic for the new Discovery Defender is the wannabe urban explorer who works in banking, wears designer gear, and regards Kenton Kool as a role model. Farmers, services, I don't think so.

It is a good demographic to target, with loads of money to throw at fashion accessories, but a fickle one. There's better be a BEV solution available when internal combustion becomes unfashionable.

25th Mar 2020 10:43am

AMBxx

Member Since: 24 Jul 2016
Location: York
Posts: 985

2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Orkney Grey

Reading that review - the videos are of high speed driving off-road! Are LR trying to get every byway in the UK shut down?

25th Mar 2020 10:51am

J77

Member Since: 04 Nov 2019
Location: Fife
Posts: 3246

blackwolf wrote:
bpman wrote:
... 5. do the key demographic for these vehicles (Farmers, Services etc) have £80k to spend on a vehicle
...

Not any more. The key demographic for the new Discovery Defender is the wannabe urban explorer who works in banking, wears designer gear, and regards Kenton Kool as a role model. Farmers, services, I don't think so.

It is a good demographic to target, with loads of money to throw at fashion accessories, but a fickle one. There's better be a BEV solution available when internal combustion becomes unfashionable.

Just like many of the old Defenders, shiny paintwork and big alloys with all the off road stuff bolted to them just for the look.

25th Mar 2020 1:12pm

Steve_overland

Member Since: 14 Oct 2018
Location: Gaydon
Posts: 282

1997 Defender 110 300 Tdi HT Chawton White

https://expeditionportal.com/2020-defender-overland-test-drive/ @steve_overland on Insta.
110 expedition vehicle with pop roof

25th Mar 2020 1:22pm

J77

Member Since: 04 Nov 2019
Location: Fife
Posts: 3246

One of the better reviews

25th Mar 2020 1:35pm

Zed

Member Since: 07 Oct 2017
Location: In the woods
Posts: 3013

2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Santorini Black

4 and a half stars in Autocar but reading between the lines of the last paragraph I'm not convinced.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/land-...020-review WARNING.
This post may contain sarcasm.

25th Mar 2020 7:56pm

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

AMBxx wrote:
Reading that review - the videos are of high speed driving off-road! Are LR trying to get every byway in the UK shut down?

I liked the Pistonheads review, I might take issue with several of the statements/sentiments, but was surprised by this:

" Land Rover has pulled many strings (and officially greased innumerable palms) for permission to repeatedly drive into the conservation area".

25th Mar 2020 8:04pm

Zed

Member Since: 07 Oct 2017
Location: In the woods
Posts: 3013

Glowing review in Autoexpress

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/land-rover/d...020-review

Plus a write-up of their jolly.

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/land-rover/d...ad-namibia WARNING.
This post may contain sarcasm.

25th Mar 2020 9:15pm

isacs

Member Since: 28 Aug 2015
Location: Leamington spa
Posts: 404

carwow review

25th Mar 2020 10:15pm

Stuff

Member Since: 06 Feb 2017
Location: Between cradle and grave
Posts: 41

From some perspectives (low down, view from the front quarter) it's a lovely design. In most, it's a fat bas***d. Seriously. And not only in the exterior profile. Look at the window apertures, especially the second row. It's like the designers and the engineers had a drunken fight. For many years I wanted to buy the next-gen Defender. Now I want to see one in the metal, to be sure I don't want to buy one. LR has now trashed the Disco and the Defender (yes, subjective opinions). Form, in this case, is utterly, utterly not a reflection of function.

25th Mar 2020 10:36pm

Stuff

Member Since: 06 Feb 2017
Location: Between cradle and grave
Posts: 41

... and the roof rack ladder on the side? With a 1st aid/glove box on the other side? And a special dog spray kit. Really???

Gerry and the LR design team ... do you spend your time in a nail bar near Gaydon? Stop. Restart the T5 production. Bang out at "good enough" alu shell to sit on it. Fit a variety of interior options from Farmer to Budget to County (remember County?) to Chelsea. Lean back, and rake in the money. Yes, I know, Greta says no, but you can still design a decent 4x4 in Greta World. The buyers will pay.

And (the new) JLR CEO, grow some and fire the muppets.

25th Mar 2020 10:51pm

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

2020 Land Rover Defender vs. Jeep Wrangler Rubicon…:

29th Mar 2020 8:18am

Cobstar

Member Since: 27 Aug 2010
Location: South East
Posts: 30

Do you think LR will take up the challenge to let them take a New Defender on the Rubicon Trail

?

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29th Mar 2020 10:51am

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