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Not_Given

Member Since: 25 Dec 2017
Location: UK
Posts: 80

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Orkney Grey

Best guess from the photo is 265/70R18. 32.6” by 10.4”. Not sure how a low-profile 20” wheel setup would compare.

NG

7th Mar 2020 6:02pm

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS DCPU Keswick Green

It does look huge there, is it just an optical illusion though?

7th Mar 2020 6:49pm

Tim in Scotland

Member Since: 23 May 2007
Location: The Land that time forgot
Posts: 3753

Aren’t sand tyres higher aspect ratio to give them strength when you deflate them a bit when you get into sand? The steel wheel does look much bigger diameter than when I gave specced them on the builder though Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come
2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed!

7th Mar 2020 8:54pm

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

I think I can read 255 R16 on the tyres ~ standard Goodyear Wranglers, the off road tyre option on old Defenders as well as new Defenders.

7th Mar 2020 8:58pm

LandRoverAnorak

Member Since: 17 Jul 2011
Location: Surrey
Posts: 11240

2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Orkney Grey

Not in that size, though. Only 235/85 or 265/75 have been offered in metric sizes in recent years. Darren

110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak

"You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought!" - Princess Leia

7th Mar 2020 9:43pm

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

Right I was zooming in on this:

7th Mar 2020 9:52pm

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 16905

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey

The bit where it clearly says 255/70R18 ?

7th Mar 2020 9:57pm

Zed

Member Since: 07 Oct 2017
Location: In the woods
Posts: 3029

2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Santorini Black

If you spin it backwards it says Satanic verses. WARNING.
This post may contain sarcasm.

7th Mar 2020 10:06pm

Buran

Member Since: 02 Feb 2020
Location: Zagreb
Posts: 15

Remains to be seen if at least 33” or maybe 34” could be fitted without modifications.
I guess 35” is out of the equation altogether.

8th Mar 2020 12:52am

Ecco

Member Since: 31 Oct 2015
Location: Kuala Lumpur
Posts: 279

2014 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 DCPU Galway Green

Supacat wrote:
How about demonstrate or even explain what lies behind the claims that it is comprehensively better than any previous JLR vehicle?

..thats exactly my point which is missed, hence term pretender, but in era of 'political correctness', thats a sin..it has nothing to do with negativity, even, yes, it can be read that way..but when someone made claim that car shows its 'capable', and you see a vehicle loaded with just 2 guys with tshirt and one or 2 spare tyres on the roof, traveling trough terrain of no spectacular challenge that cant stop ancient series 3 truck, then, you remember camel trophy, trucks fully loaded with bunch of dudes, roof rack entirely loaded with what not, proving its use, and truck slammed in to all kind of mud/pot holes, water, river crossing and what not , and goes trough...then you realize, there is virtually , nothing shown in any of videos or pictures which demonstrate advertised capability of this truck abomination, that is on any way better than old trucks..

Heaviest stress this machine (ill call it machine from now, so nobody is offended) did experienced is two dudes sitting on its rooftop , seeking aliens on night sky..

8th Mar 2020 1:11am

pbhawkin

Member Since: 12 Jan 2020
Location: Mudgee, NSW
Posts: 21

I get that some of the posters in here are disappointed (a lot) that the New Defender is not a lot like their memories of years ago when the last iteration of the Defender was being sold. But please stop banging on about this.

I would rather you compare and contrast it to other vehicles that are currently on the market now (as that is what I will want
to know prior to purchase of a replacement for my D4).

8th Mar 2020 5:12am

markb110

Member Since: 22 May 2010
Location: Guildford
Posts: 2525

I grew up with the Camel Trophy and those who watched it over the years saw that LR was dumbing it down in the last few years.

First from Camel cigarettes to Camel clothing, then from Discovery1’s to Freelanders, from being convoys to single teams with a back up vehicle. And letS not forget the final trophy that used boats.

Then there was the G4 lifestyle events.

The reality from a large companies point of view is that crashing through the undergrowth is not politically correct, it’s not even something that 99.9% of owners do anymore. Check out all those shiny non scratched overpriced Defenders out there now.

Rose tinted glasses, I think so.

You can drive mostly from Scotland to Cape Town on tarmac

The car buying public purchase their vehicles on finance deals and part ex after three or four years. LR sells the image but the dealer does not want the car back scratched, dented and covered in Camel Trophy stickers.

Ps, I love my scratches, they tell stories....

8th Mar 2020 10:58am

zilch

Member Since: 11 Sep 2019
Location: Whitsundays & Sydney
Posts: 784

pbhawkin wrote:
I get that some of the posters in here are disappointed (a lot) that the New Defender is not a lot like their memories of years ago when the last iteration of the Defender was being sold. But please stop banging on about this.

I would rather you compare and contrast it to other vehicles that are currently on the market now (as that is what I will want
to know prior to purchase of a replacement for my D4).

yet another pommie bar steward down under

MY20 110 P400 SE Defender
MY10 3.0 RR Sport

9th Mar 2020 1:34am

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 16905

pbhawkin wrote:
I get that some of the posters in here are disappointed (a lot) that the New Defender is not a lot like their memories of years ago when the last iteration of the Defender was being sold. But please stop banging on about this.

I would rather you compare and contrast it to other vehicles that are currently on the market now (as that is what I will want to know prior to purchase of a replacement for my D4).

Your last (parenthesised) sentence makes exactly the point that is in my mind the cause of the disappointment, the Defender has become just another ephemeral SUV, though I dont dispute it'll be a good one.

I'd be delighted to compare it to currently-available vehicle in the utility/working light truck sector that the Series Land-Rover and Defender dominated for years, but it no longer stacks up against the current pick-up trucks, small Unimog, Cantor, 4x4 Transits and Sprinters, Gators, and other off-road utility vehicles that it used to beat.

I get that the Discovery was an epic concept and there is a need for a new one (since D5 replaced the Freelander) but if it looks like a Discovery, does the job a Discovery was designed for, sells to the Discovery market sector, then why not call it a Discovery?

This is not negativity, it is a dislike of the cynical marketing that has gone on in JLR ostensibly to free up the Defender name by rebranding all model ranges, something that clearly signalled the demise of the real Defender years before it happened.

I hope (and expect) that those of you who by the new one will enjoy it and it will tick all of your boxes. Sadly it doesn't tick any of mine. It's not a bad vehicle, just the wrong vehicle!

9th Mar 2020 9:15am

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

pbhawkin wrote:
I get that some of the posters in here are disappointed (a lot) that the New Defender is not a lot like their memories of years ago when the last iteration of the Defender was being sold.

On a point of fact - it was not years ago when the last iteration of the Defender was sold - it was 2019.

https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic71149.html?highlight=retail

pbhawkin wrote:
But please stop banging on about this.

What happened to if you didn't like the thread you just ignored it and moved on? Seems a little rude to come in on someone else's thread, and take it off on a tangent saying what can and cannot be said.

pbhawkin wrote:
I would rather you compare and contrast it to other vehicles that are currently on the market now (as that is what I will want to know prior to purchase of a replacement for my D4).

Please feel free to start that thread and I'll read, comment and contribute, maybe even challenge someone's opinions (

); but I won't try and shutdown the whole conversation because of...well I'm not really sure.

The big point has already been made by Blackwolf.

9th Mar 2020 10:28am

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