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Doc P



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Selling fireworks to the public
There’s a poll somewhere on a medical website - ‘Should there be a ban on selling fireworks to the public?’ and the ‘yes’s won.

I always thought they were good fun, but seeing the effect on some animals they have, watching those tw@ts running around Leeds chucking them at the Police and public the other day and knowing the amount of injuries and damage they cause......I voted yes.

Luckily, my dogs don’t even flinch.

Leave them to organised displays.
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regards the idiots that Censored about with fireworks we need to be careful as this is another case of the few ruining it for the many, what we need is laws and punishments that deal with the few and discourage them so that the rest of us can enjoy our lives. DEFENDER 90 TDCI XS,

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Kids started two weeks ago already. Unfortunately my dog is scared as sh!t so every evening walk is turning out in a disaster already... Rolling Eyes
You’d almost wish one of those arses lose a few fingers in front of their friends but then again... it’s not their fault to not having parents doing their job.
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Tim in Scotland



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We too have been having them set off since last Friday and again last night. These are not big public displays but individuals setting them off in the street. I don’t live in a town, I live on farm lane and on Saturday night there was a mass panic of the sheep in the field across the lane, they just didn’t know where to run, when somebody in the village let of some exceptionally loud rockets and bangers from the layby across the main road.
Over on RRSport there is a post showing the damage done to the bonnet of an RRS when a rocket landed on it.
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blackwolf



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There was a time when I would have said that there's no problem with the public buying fireworks, but in recent years I have completely changed my view.

The problem is not the firework, the problem is the public. There are so many halfwits, morons, criminal types, and people who have no sense of civic or social responsibility now that the general public is no longer fit to be allowed fireworks (and I acknowledge that there are still those who are, but unless you introduce an intelligence test at point of sale you have to treat "the public" all the same). Now I do think that fireworks should be restricted to organised displays.

That being said, there was a photo on one of the gutter tabloids on Tuesday of a "yout" who had inserted a rocket stick into his bum cheeks and lit the fuse, with rather predictable results. This sort of thing should, I feel, be encouraged, since it cleans the gene pool. In fact I would go so far as to reward said "yout" with an immediate week's compulsory horse-riding.
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AMBxx



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The fireworks for sale aren't comparable with those available 20+ years ago. They're closer to those used in professional displays. Think how hopeless the old Astra and Standard fireworks used to be.

I'm not sure there are more idiots about now, they just have better fireworks.

Maybe the first thing to restrict should be the power of fireworks that can be sold to somebody who doesn't have some sort of licence. I've just been through the hoops of becoming licenced for buying proper rat poison, I doubt it would need to be much more for fireworks.
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Joe the Plumber



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We had some moron setting off a long and loud burst of 'bangers' at 1.55am on Monday in our village.
Now if there had been a solitary gunshot from their immediate neighbours mixed in with the racket....

I am all in favour of fireworks at public displays, but I don't see any need for them to be available privately.

When you think about it, sending an uncontrolled, unguided 'missile' with an exploding 'warhead' randomly into the sky in a built up area isn't perhaps the most sensible thing to do.

We have a large flat roofed building in our garden. I keep wondering if the neighbour's home insurance covers them if one of their rockets lands on it and sets it on fire.
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Tim in Scotland



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The Scottish Parliament has been debating banning sales of fireworks to the general public and allowing only organised firework displays recently. Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come
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The pyrotechnic strength of today's fireworks are hundreds of times more powerful than those sold to me as a teenager, the multi shot boxes are basically a bomb, last year one was let off in a phone box near where I live, there was little left of the phone box. So just on the grounds of today’s fireworks being so powerful, then no I do not feel they should be sold to the public. For those who like Welsh Mountains and narrow boats have a look at my videos and photos at..

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Rashers



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I know I live in the sticks, but I have heard very few fireworks going off this year.

I do work in the middle of Norwich and most other years, I would stand for the bus and there would be the sound of fireworks going off most nights either side of the 5th.

Sainsbury's stopped selling fireworks this year. I expect perhaps Tesco's and maybe Morrison's might follow suit next year. Selling them is a lot of hassle and to a supermarket, it can't make them a lot of money.

Personally, I would like to see them banned except for professional displays. As gilarion said, the multi-shot one's are nothing much less than a legalized bomb.

Let's be fair, a few fireworks from the supermarket are pretty rubbish compared to going to a professional display Wink

I'm just glad the fashion for indoor fireworks has been left in the 1970's. From what I remember from my childhood, after lighting, the resultant 'firework' looked more like a dog turd (and didn't smell much different either)
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Mike c



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I remember the old Standard black box of fireworks when I was a kid, these were sensible back garden fireworks. As pointed out, the modern types are too powerful for domestic use really.
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JWL



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As has been mentioned in nearly every reply above, fireworks available to the public now are mighty different to ones in previous years. This year is the first year that I haven't organised a firework display for a Club or other group that I have been involved in. Years ago I used to run a display by our YFC Club which was for our village and raised a few quid for charity, back then buying fireworks was done through s specialist supplier and what we got then, nearly 40 years ago, was what you get from your local garden centre or supermarket. The past few years I've been doing the local Land Rover Club's firework night and we've been buying over the counter fireworks that are probably more "potent" than what I was buying all those years ago plus they're cheaper!
I used to live and work around Warwick Castle and when they started doing their Fireworks with Music displays with some pretty spectacular pyrotechnics it seems that the over the counter fireworks can get along the same scale. I shoot both with a rifle and a shotgun, buying ammunition for them both can only be done with your certificates whereas you can just chuck a whole dose of explosives in with your weekly shop with no questions asked! Don't get me started on the fireworks sold out of the back of vans, the age old "mate of a mate" can get hold of some etc etc.
In this day of every aspect of life outside your home being ruled by Health and Safety there is no place for the general public to be handling fireworks, or if you want to use a more evocative term.............explosives. Leave it all to the organised displays and especially those who donate to worthwhile charities Thumbs Up
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I don't feel there should be a ban, as we have enough of attacks is on freedom of choice in this country already.

However, I do feel that firing them at other people should be a serious offence. If it isn't already?
As mentioned, power should be limited for domestic purposes and finally in my opinion most importantly.

They should be not allowed to used on any other dates other than say 5th November.
And New Year's Eve.

The trouble is enforcement of this, and I think that is why it has been such an issue.

I often agree with Blackwolf on many things and common sense applies, however, mentioning others common sense maybe illegal shortly too the rate we are going at.

Obviously they shouldn't be let off near animals either, some can almost go into shock depending on animal and how they react.
The saddest part is, many people out there just don't even care and the alcohol comes out as well. Shocked
They have the capability to do very serious damage to a human or animal if not treated with a great deal of respect.
Personally I leave well alone due to the danger the pose full stop, and it's very little loss or interest to me.

Safety wise remote ignition is safest with a proper display.

Do they not have a power type rating? I would imagine that's required isn't it with the explosives regs?
It would be interesting to know how they compare to other types power wise. Diesels Lives Matter. ⛽️🛢️👨‍🔧🧰⚙️
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There was a post on the Aviemore FB page of a calf that had run into a fence and killed itself because of fireworks.

There was also a post recently on FB where a building had been set on fire because of the chinese airborne lanterns.

I'm starting to think the should be banned... it's just littering really... Defender "Puma" 2.4 110 County Utility (possibly the last of the 2.4's)
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When I was a Plod this used to be my bread and butter around the 5th :-

Section 28 of the Town Police Clauses Act 1847

Penalty on persons committing any of the offences herein named.
Every person who in any street, to the obstruction, annoyance, or danger of the residents or passengers, commits any of the following offences, shall be liable to a penalty not exceeding [F1level 3 on the standard scale] for each offence, or, in the discretion of the justice before whom he is convicted, may be committed to prison, there to remain for a period not exceeding fourteen days, [F2 . . . F3; (that is to say,)]

Every person who wantonly discharges any firearm, or throws or discharges any stone or other missile, or makes any bonfire, or throws or sets fire to any firework: .


THIS IS FROM THE 2014 ACT.

Fireworks: the law
You can’t buy ‘adult’ fireworks if you’re under 18, and it’s against the law for anyone to set off fireworks between 11pm and 7am, except on certain occasions.
Adult fireworks are category 2 and 3 fireworks - they don’t include things like party poppers.
Category 4 fireworks can only be used by professionals.
The law says you must not set off or throw fireworks (including sparklers) in the street or other public places.
You must not set off fireworks between 11pm and 7am, except for:
Bonfire Night, when the cut off is midnight
New Year’s Eve, Diwali and Chinese New Year, when the cut off is 1am
Check with your council to find out about any local rules for setting off fireworks.
Get information about firework safety from The Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents and the Health and Safety Executive.
Buying fireworks
You can only buy fireworks (including sparklers) from registered sellers for private use on these dates:
15 October to 10 November
26 to 31 December
3 days before Diwali and Chinese New Year
At other times you can only buy fireworks from licensed shops.
You can be fined up to £5,000 and imprisoned for up to 6 months for selling or using fireworks illegally. You could also get an on-the-spot fine of £90.

I that most adults know the danger and do not act irresponsibly but there are a few who will buy for young teenagers and we also have irresponsible retailers and their employees who do not challenge the age of the buyers.

The legislation is there to be used but not the people to enforce it. Don't make old people mad.
We don't like being old in the first place,
so it doesn't take much to Censored us off.

Richard
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