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Huttopia



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United Kingdom 2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 Heritage Edition SW Grasmere Green
Man maths

I picked up my P38 today after a service, all good, cruise control works, everything sounds lovely and she's still only done 59k miles! Rattling to the chap who runs the place and he said they'd got a RR Sport on a 13 plate with 25k miles - the repair bill was likely to be around £16k. Shocked Big Cry Shocked Big Cry Big Cry

The engine ran on and went bang. I honestly think that would finish me off. It does seem that even if you have the modern stuff serviced at the right intervals with the correct parts and oils, it is still a blooming lottery whether something goes pop or not. I wonder if these 20k mile service intervals are part of the problem, with folk waiting until the light comes on to book it in, rather than listen for the odd knock / wheeze / clunk and do something about it. At least with a 6k or 10k service interval the garage is more likely to spot something before it is terminal.

Let's spare a thought for the poor chap with his RRS. There but for the grace of god, and more frequent service intervals....

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JOW240725



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That would be a scary bill! And one of the reason we went for a Defender over new more sophisticated models. I'm not sure if there is any sense in that or just man maths. Laughing James
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Post #773584 17th May 2019 3:54pm
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Caterham



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Re: Man maths

........... problem, with folk waiting until the light comes on to book it in, rather than listen for the odd knock / wheeze / clunk and do something about it..........

I mostly agree but listening out for the above would mean you'd never get off the dealers forecourt Rolling with laughter

Post #773589 17th May 2019 4:27pm
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ericvv



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Switzerland 2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SVX Station Wagon Santorini Black

Here virtually nobody will hang on to a modern RR beyond the max extended warranty period, which is 6 years. They will all be replaced latest by that time. Pretty easy to understand the logic for that.
Eric You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation.
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Post #773600 17th May 2019 5:24pm
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blackwolf



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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey

By which time they will have negligible residual value for precisely these reasons.

Post #773602 17th May 2019 5:39pm
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OsloBlue



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United Kingdom 2003 Defender 110 Td5 XS CSW Oslo Blue

Sometimes cars just have catastrophic malfunctions.

I read some bloke broke his back going over a speed bump in a brand new car by an undisclosed manufacturer.

He won a compensation against the undisclosed manufacturer of the car, the OE shock manufacturer, and got money for signing an NDA. Got a two six figure payouts.

The chances of a shock not passing Quality control were something like 1 in 6000, and the chances that it would fail the manufacturers were similar odds. Meaning the chances of getting one shock absorber was 1 in 36 million or so, and the chances of getting 4 through the first quality control were 1 in 1,296,000,000,000,000 (quadrillion) as was the second

The chances of getting for were 1 in 1.679616e30 or (1,679,616,000,000,000,000,000,136,376,392) which is a nonillion...

On another note one of the fleet cars users focus had a service. No oil and no water... thought it sounded like a transit. I'm on IG: https://www.instagram.com/osloblue42/
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Post #773606 17th May 2019 6:03pm
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Huttopia



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United Kingdom 2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 Heritage Edition SW Grasmere Green

Caterham, you joke about not getting off the forecourt, but I’ve heard a first hand account of a brand new TD5 being picked up and the engine running on and going bang.........whilst still in the dealership! The building filled with smoke and people thought a bomb had gone off.

On the upside, the engine was replaced and the vehicle is still going strong!

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williamthedog



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2011 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 PU Tamar Blue

16k repair bill... Shocked

Post #773634 17th May 2019 9:13pm
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Slideywindows



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I like your P38 man-maths Huttopia, because it is good.

But this is better. Laughing


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Huttopia



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United Kingdom 2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 Heritage Edition SW Grasmere Green

That is v nice Slidey, a thing of beauty!
I’d definitely like a classic, an early 4 door would be my ideal one, but I can’t afford a divorce! There is a lot of love in the family for the Heritage ( not allowed to sell it, wife and kids vetoed that idea), the 90 pick up is my every day driver, station hack, shoot vehicle and vaguely useful for jobs on the farm, but the P38 is at best tolerated by the other inhabitants. It is my favourite by some margin, but I’m happy to be the odd one out! 😁

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Procta



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Re: Man maths

Huttopia wrote:
I picked up my P38 today after a service, all good, cruise control works, everything sounds lovely and she's still only done 59k miles! Rattling to the chap who runs the place and he said they'd got a RR Sport on a 13 plate with 25k miles - the repair bill was likely to be around £16k. Shocked Big Cry Shocked Big Cry Big Cry

The engine ran on and went bang. I honestly think that would finish me off. It does seem that even if you have the modern stuff serviced at the right intervals with the correct parts and oils, it is still a blooming lottery whether something goes pop or not. I wonder if these 20k mile service intervals are part of the problem, with folk waiting until the light comes on to book it in, rather than listen for the odd knock / wheeze / clunk and do something about it. At least with a 6k or 10k service interval the garage is more likely to spot something before it is terminal.

Let's spare a thought for the poor chap with his RRS. There but for the grace of god, and more frequent service intervals....


the reason why most stuff goes boom now, is how its put together. Things are rushed and cheap Censored used if they can get a way with it. This is not land rover etc, its the manufacture's they use to make the odds and sods for the car. All this to make a few quid profit, Censored the last end customer who buys it. Things are just shoved in during assembly, it runs etc then off to the customer. Defender TD5 90 ---/--- Peugeot 306 HDI hatch back

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