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LandymanStefan



Member Since: 30 Aug 2017
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England 2001 Defender 90 Td5 SW Epsom Green
Trans-alp Tour Beginning of July Maps and Advice

Hi all,
Im beginning to plan my trans alp trip which i'll be doing with a friend in my 2001 td5 90 at the beginning of July

A few tracks have caught my eye, Col du parpaillon, col du tende and the via del sale. We want to spend a couple of days driving down a few days doing all the routes and camping in the moutains, a weekend in a city in northern italy then the last week at a lake (probably Garda) Then home!

Im after advice from anyone who has done these off road journeys and also what maps to buy which will have the tracks marked on them.

What spares would you carry with you etc?
What preferred tools? Aircompressor? Jack etc...

Or of course if anyone wants to join feel free to get in touch! I'd much rather go as a group but i have a lack of landy friends! Sad

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Mo Murphy



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You'll find those main Alpine routes smooth gravelled and well signposted. You shouldn't need maps, spares or tools 😉 don't let that stop you, it is stunningly beautiful 😊
Further east in the Dolomites you will find most routes closed to vehicles now that it's a UNESCO area of outstanding beauty.
Mo The Land Rover 90 - Many are called, few are chosen.

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Maris Widgeon



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Have travelled in that area quite a bit and done the routes that you have already highlighted and they are stunning. We travel in a ninety and one thing I would suggest is be organised and don't take too much stuff, we tend to concentrate on being comfortable and well fed , giving ourselves easy days . The distances are not great between tracks and areas that you may be visiting, but can take longer than you expect due to windey roads.
Some other classic tracks-
- Mont Cenis
- Colle de Assiette
- Col de Sommelier
These are all relatively close together and close to France Italian border , all these tracks are shown on the ordinary large scale road map and are easily transversed although can be a little " hairy " in parts.
We have found other smaller routes from German motorcycle forums and also the dangerous roads web site, also I love maps so l buy the blue I G N maps for the area that we are going to visit and just explore.
We have been back many times over the years and only ever take basic tools and cable ties etc, and make sure we have European recovery and prepare and service the truck before leaving.
We have had some fantastic trips to that area over the years and there is always more to do, hope this maybe helpful.

Nick

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LandymanStefan



Member Since: 30 Aug 2017
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Great thank you! Ive added those routes to the list!

I love a map too so i'll try and get some i g n blue ones then! I want something with all these tracks on, dont want to just rely on phones and tech.

Yes i have european recovery but i cant see a recovery truck coming up to get you when youre at the top of one of those gravelly mountain passes Laughing The car has only covered 42k miles so a major fault shouldn't occur, prior to me buying it it had full lr service history and ive serviced it every 6k since then and only last september did the full transmission oils etc etc and ive done the oil pump sprocket bolt just in case. I just have a fear of camping up a mountain in the middle of nowhere and getting back in the car in the morning to get a classic case of a td5 non start issue. But hey thats a risk you gotta take.

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Grenadier



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Top tip. Most OR tracks in the main Alpine communes are closed to 4x4s in the months of July and August between 0600-1800h. Certainly the case for all the communes around me, where they prioritise walkers, climbers and MBikers. You might ‘get away with it’ as there are not many cops about, but fines can be big. So I’d strongly suggest outlying a route with your key Cols and tracks and then checking the route regs per commune (loosely speaking identified by each different postcode, albeit some club their rules and coordination together). In addition you have the French version of the forestry commission, (http://www.onf.fr), plus numerous national and local protected parks, which cover many of the high altitude areas. You would no doubt see many locals cutting about on Quads and Trailies, but as a non local you won’t know the less well travelled routes and would be open to being caught. I’m afraid France has the least open and accessible routes in the Haute Alpes during July and August. If want any top tips, help with lingo, route planning or info on communes, don’t hesitate to PM me. Thumbs Up Monsieur Le Grenadier

I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list.....

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strang



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Stephen Patchett did a lot of the Italian alps on this trip below - you can find him on facebook or youtube and he should be able to offer some advice on routes and maps etc

In the meantime, his videos are good for a winters night planning......



There should be 8 parts which normally auto play

You might also like this one which is another Alps trip

&t=8s Euro-Leafing to infinity and beyond.....

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datcullen



Member Since: 15 Aug 2013
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We've done lots of sections of the Via del Sale and the other tracks around Col de Tende and across the Italian / French border around Monte Saccarello. We can do a 100 mile round trip from our place in Liguria with only short sections on the road. The camping, the views and the tracks are all great and reasonably well tracked - useful in case of emergency - if not well marked. Interestingly the Italians seem much more relaxed about 'off-roading' as most of the tracks (according to the locals anyway) are unsurfaced roads but roads none the less.

The only section I know of that has restrictions in place is the section of the Via del Sale known as "La strade ex-Militare" - the bit that was restored and is run as a toll road. It is closed on certain days each week to motorised traffic and when they have races etc on it.

http://www.laviadelsale.com/la-via-del-sal...ne-monesi/

Here's some tracks I've dropped into ridgewithgps which you may find useful.
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/29151706
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/29151707
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/26763984

Edited to add:
Maps - the maps are not great on the Italian side but the best I've found are the EDM (EDIZIONI DEL MAGISTERO) Carta dei Sentieri 1:25000 series - IM5 / 7 & 8 I think cover the above routes
http://www.edizionidelmagistero.it/carte-d...peria.html
They are not widely available in the UK but try phoning The Map Shop - https://www.themapshop.co.uk/ - an incredible resource for any map afficionado!

Please feel free to PM me for more details if you'll be passing through.


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LandymanStefan



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Excellent! Thanks for the resources and info!

I'll have a look at those routes on the weekend!

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datcullen



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You're welcome. Any questions just ask. 110 UW - '15 2.2
90 - '85 V8 soft-top
RRC - '84 5 door, Option Pack C, 33k miles from new
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Elise S1 - '00 Millennium SE
Elan +2 - '68 kit built by my dad
Panda 4x4 - '87 in Italy

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JOW240725



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Watching with interest, I need to get out there! James
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datcullen



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Ok
map geek alert

I've just been given a new map by my family and it's hands down the best map of this area I've seen. Bow down

https://www.fraternalieditore.com/?lang=en

They have 1:25000 maps of running up the whole of the French / Italian border, printed on decent, water and tear resistant paper, plus digital versions available as well.

I probably need to stop now...
/map geek alert

Oh - and Martin has given me the ok to do a small bit of shameless promotion - if anyone is thinking of an outdoor based holiday in this area with access to great off-roading, hiking, climbing, river swimming but doesn't want to camp we have a lovely 3-bed rental property in the Ligurian hinterland. As well as all the above it's just 40 minutes or so from the Italian riviera...

https://www.holidaylettings.co.uk/rentals/rezzo/281049

Any bookings from here we'll give a donation to the site.

Thanks Martin! 110 UW - '15 2.2
90 - '85 V8 soft-top
RRC - '84 5 door, Option Pack C, 33k miles from new
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Elise S1 - '00 Millennium SE
Elan +2 - '68 kit built by my dad
Panda 4x4 - '87 in Italy

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