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TooTall



Member Since: 10 Jul 2012
Location: Fens
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United Kingdom 2004 Defender 90 Td5 HT Tonga Green
TD5 turbo dead!

Hi

I’m gutted as I think I’ve just killed my 90 TD5 turbo!

It was running the standard turbo, mated up to an Alive stage 3 package (180BHP/430Nm - so nothing too extreme) Shocked It’s also had the full straight thro s/s Alive big bore exhaust, so sounded absolutely spot on. The remap was only installed this Summer & the car is my 3rd toy, so doesn’t tend to get abused.

Can I just say at this point, that this post is DEFINITELY NOT intended nor meant as a moan about Alive & their products; as I found them nothing but consummate professionals & wouldn’t hesitate in both recommending them and/or going back there myself in the future. I only mention it, as I felt some background information was needed on what I fully accept is an aging 14yr old truck.

Anyway it’s let go & seems to have dumped most of the engine oil out through the turbo into the exhaust, so there was a lots of smoke involved but I managed to limp home. No obvious leaks from around the turbo, which still moves freely. The engine still runs but now emits white smoke under any kind of load & has a slight misfire. All of the hoses appear to be still there & intact.

The truck will be trailered off to my local Indy tomorrow - so my quick question is, should it indeed prove to be a failed turbo; should I be looking at replacing it with another OEM turbo? Or taking the opportunity to upgrade to a slightly larger turbo? (& if so, what’s the likely cost/benefits?) Or are there any designs out there that I really need to avoid at all costs?
Also I’m guessing either option will then need me to revisit Alive & get Mr Wood to retweak the map ever so slightly?

Has anyone got any experience/advice they’d be willing to offer of similar circumstances?

Many thx
TT "Ease your worries, Clear-up your woes,
Go into your garage & put stuff into rows."


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Post #748927 3rd Jan 2019 4:40pm
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landy andy



Member Since: 15 Feb 2009
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2006 Defender 110 Td5 USW Zermatt Silver

Interesting that you say “dumped engine oil through exhaust, so lots of black smoke”

If it had dumped the oil into exhaust it would have been blue, whitish smoke

Black smoke indicates more failed intercooler, or its hoses to me.

Post #748934 3rd Jan 2019 4:57pm
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MK



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Chile 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Chawton White

Not sure if I would apply more stress to a 14 yrs old engine. Puma 110" SW

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Post #748941 3rd Jan 2019 5:17pm
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TooTall



Member Since: 10 Jul 2012
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United Kingdom 2004 Defender 90 Td5 HT Tonga Green

landy andy wrote:
Interesting that you say “dumped engine oil through exhaust, so lots of black smoke”

If it had dumped the oil into exhaust it would have been blue, whitish smoke

Black smoke indicates more failed intercooler, or its hoses to me.


Apologies
I’ve gone back & edited to properly reflect my limited mechanical knowledge
TT "Ease your worries, Clear-up your woes,
Go into your garage & put stuff into rows."

Post #748942 3rd Jan 2019 5:21pm
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landy andy



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Was more to say IF it was black smoke, check your intercooler and hoses, incase it’s these that have failed. But if you are happy that it’s turbo then there is a slightly used one for sale.

https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic63737.html

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Procta



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United Kingdom 1997 Defender 90 300 Tdi HT Baltic Blue

Sounds like the Oil seals in the turbo have bit the dust sadly, Might be worth a look at an upgrade if you have the budget, Defender 300 TDi 90 ---/--- Peugeot 306 HDI hatch back

Post #748963 3rd Jan 2019 6:53pm
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lightning



Member Since: 23 Apr 2009
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Maybe get your ECU map checked out?
My Alive Stage 1 remap was certainly effective the Defender went like stink after it was done, but caused it to dump unburnt diesel through the exhaust in great white clouds.
(When you floored it)
I thought the head gasket had gone!

The Alive depot in Bolton, Manchester didn’t sort it and l had to have the Defender reset at Land Rover.

After that l had it remapped by Dynachip and it’s been fine since then. Although very good,it doesn’t perform like the Alive one.
I am guessing the Alive remap was tweaked too much.


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diesel_jim



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United Kingdom 2006 Defender 110 Td5 SW Epsom Green

This could save you some ££££???
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https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic63737.html

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Adam17



Member Since: 15 May 2018
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possibly/probably wise to stick with ALIVE, if they are the ones that has modified your truck...

I thought that was pricey for a turbo, but I don't know too much about them..
I had TD5Inside play with mine and apparently getting approx. 170 from a stage1??? Goes like stink, and gets through fuel like a hole in the tank... But very little black smoke, and I have noticed some white smoke in the mornings but it is cold...

I would also assume (if it is your turbo that's dead) that if you put another standard turbo in, you may find yourself in the same position in the future?? Id seek advice from those that have the same mapping as you, or get advice from the company that mapped the truck, they should know best in terms of stress on the engine for its age, and how far to 'push it'...

Out of curiosity.. what MPG are you getting?? Regards
Adam

Loving The Duchess
The Defender 110 TD5 XS

My Defender story - http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic64005.html

Post #760545 24th Feb 2019 12:10pm
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lightning



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180bhp is close to the limit for a standard TD5 so it will find any weak point in the system, l would take it back to Alive and ask them to find out what has gone wrong with it.

Although the failure won’t necessarily be their fault, they probably owe it to you to at least have a look at it.

Post #760565 24th Feb 2019 2:36pm
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Adam17



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England 2004 Defender 110 Td5 XS CSW Java Black

Mines had a little tweak, and I have been contemplating upgrading a few other bit, just to reduce the risk of faults happening... Regards
Adam

Loving The Duchess
The Defender 110 TD5 XS

My Defender story - http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic64005.html

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