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| 24heuer Member Since: 21 Jul 2015 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 156   
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Hi all,
Anyone changed one of these at all? I can see how to get to the top part easily enough but access to the bottom joint looks a real pain. Any advice or tips much appreciated. Also any recommendations on where to buy that isn't going to break the bank?  Click image to enlarge Prices vary from £15 for a rough looking item on eBay to around £150 for OEM and then way over £200 for genuine. Many thanks, Cheers, Andy... Edinburgh, Scotland http://24heuer.com |
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29th Dec 2018 10:17am |
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| Bluericky Member Since: 26 Jun 2014 Location: Cornwall Posts: 647  
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Out of interest , what made you decide to replace it ?
I’ve been thinking that mine is on its way out as UJ’s appear fairly seized up and I’m getting a minuscule amount of movement when I grab and shake . |
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29th Dec 2018 7:11pm |
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| 24heuer Member Since: 21 Jul 2015 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 156
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Hi,
Yeah, access is a nightmare without removing bits 
I’m getting a bit of wobble through the wheel at 50mph. Nowhere near as bad as the death wobble I had before - pretty much everything else has been replaced or fixed to resolve that but I’m still hyper sensitive about the feel. If I move the shaft at the top end below the joint there is notiicable vertical play that feels like the top joint. I don’t get this at the bottom end. This movement translates to a similar feel at the wheel. The shaft and the joints look like they’ve seen better days tbh and there’s a hand painted mark on the shield so I suspect it’s a replaced used part from before I got the vehicle. (Edit - actually, just thinking about that last comment - it's ex-military so maybe the military mark replaced parts(?)) Cheers, Andy... Edinburgh, Scotland http://24heuer.com Last edited by 24heuer on 30th Dec 2018 10:02am. Edited 1 time in total |
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29th Dec 2018 9:01pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 16857 
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In my case, a small amount of play in the top uj.
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29th Dec 2018 11:26pm |
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| 24heuer Member Since: 21 Jul 2015 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 156
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Isn’t that just typical Blackwolf? They sell a replacement bottom joint cheap but with the top joint you need to fork out for the entire assembly.
Cheers,
Andy... Edinburgh, Scotland http://24heuer.com |
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29th Dec 2018 11:35pm |
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| BogMonster Member Since: 05 Feb 2008 Location: Stanley Posts: 389  
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They do fail as a 'wearing part'. A lot of Defenders here are used a lot of the time on rough unsurfaced gravel roads, and every Defender I've owned in recent years has needed one within 20-30k miles, corrugations and potholes on the roads are hell on steering joints all through the system. Yet to find out with the Puma.
Some of the mechanics at the garage I used to run reckoned that dripping a small amount of light oil onto the joint at servicing would prolong its life, I guess it wicked into the bearings if they were dry. One of a number of things that a grease nipple would help with... --- 2006 Defender 110 SW 300Tdi • 2011 Ford Ranger XLT crewcab • 2015 Defender 110 Station Wagon Utility TDCi |
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30th Dec 2018 1:09am |
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| williamthedog Member Since: 29 Dec 2012 Location: south wales Posts: 3441 
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Bogmonster wrote ;
Some of the mechanics at the garage I used to run reckoned that dripping a small amount of light oil onto the joint at servicing would prolong its life, Thats exactly what I have done with mine since it was new. No problems with it yet.  |
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30th Dec 2018 9:07am |
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| Mdm Member Since: 11 Sep 2013 Location: Sunny Lancashire Posts: 1523
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tdi ones you can buy as 2 separate parts. seized and worn out ones are very very common.
beware the cheap ones as they often have more play than the one you take off. td5 is a complete shaft.... all make a good return on the work involved to replace. the ones we have just done were seized in 2 planes of movement only. |
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30th Dec 2018 11:55am |
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| Stu_XS Member Since: 22 Jul 2018 Location: Hampshire Posts: 86 
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I've removed/replaced mine a couple of times in the pursuit of trying to find a slight grating noise and when I have changed the steering box.
Having done it a few times I think it's not at all difficult, certainly not as hard as it looks. Loosen the upper and lower spline clamp bolts plus the clamp on the lower UJ/shaft joint and then gently drift it back from the steering box splines once it's clear of the steering box knock it back the other way. Stu... 2013 Aintree Green 90 XS SW 2.2 Puma |
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30th Dec 2018 10:40pm |
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| 24heuer Member Since: 21 Jul 2015 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 156
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Hi,
That’s all good info - thanks. Definitely something I want to tackle. Stu - Can I ask how did you get to the bottom bolts? Did you need to remove the air cleaner duct or anything else at all? Cheers, Andy... Edinburgh, Scotland http://24heuer.com |
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30th Dec 2018 11:01pm |
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| Stu_XS Member Since: 22 Jul 2018 Location: Hampshire Posts: 86
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No need to remove anything Andy.
Bottom end is accessed from under the car. Top end is easily reached from above. Rotate the shaft as needed to get access. 8mm ring spanner if I remember well. Make sure you take the bolts right out and don't just losen them, you'll be there a while otherwise as the splined shafts are rebated where the bolt sits. 
From under the car you can access the bottom of the shaft with a longish bar and drift it up off the steering box. You'll need to re-center the steering wheel after. Stu... 2013 Aintree Green 90 XS SW 2.2 Puma |
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30th Dec 2018 11:07pm |
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| 24heuer Member Since: 21 Jul 2015 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 156
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Ha! Underneath - of course!
I never thought of that 
Fantastic - I’ll order it up and report back 
Can’t wait to try it now. Thanks all! Cheers, Andy... Edinburgh, Scotland http://24heuer.com |
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30th Dec 2018 11:12pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 19531
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I'm assuming the UJ's on these are of a non serviceable / non replaceable part? Diesels Lives Matter. ⛽️🛢️👨🔧🧰⚙️
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31st Dec 2018 12:54am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 16857
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Non-serviceable and sealed for life. They can only be replaced with the shaft as an assembly, and the TDCi version, which has a heatshield that the Td5 doesn't but is otherwise the same, is disturbingly expensive.
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