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BykerPete



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United Kingdom 2014 Defender 110 300 Tdi CSW Willow Green
Heavy Duty Springs
I suspect that this has been covered before but I cant find anything that answers my question, so here goes.

I have a 2.2 Puma 90 Hard Top (XS Spec I believe) - heavily loaded with full external roil cage, Hardshell Rooftop Tent, 270 Awning and various camping gear. Most of this is more or less permanently in or on the vehicle.

As you might expect, the rear is now sagging a bit and I’m wondering if I should fit heavy duty springs? (For info the Puma also has 18” wheels and Bilstein B6 Shocks and a heavy duty anti-roll bar.)

Nearly all of my driving is on tarmac with the occasional foray off road when necessary to get to my destination.

So . . . Three Questions . . .

1. Is fitting Heavy Duty Springs the answer (I’m not looking for any extra lift although I suspect that fitting HD Springs will lift the rear slightly from where it currently sits.). and. . .

2. Is it okay to just fit them on the rear, or should I fit them on the front as well. (The front doesn’t appear to sag - not compared to the rear).

3. Recommended make for standard height HD Springs? So far I’ve found Britpart do them but not sure who else does.

Sorry for the long winded post, but if anyone can shed any light on these questions that would be very kind.

Thanks in advance,

Pete.
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MartinK



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I would suggest the first port of call is to check what springs you have. If you clean them up you should see dabs of paint in colours reflecting the part #. This may help:

Road spring data
Road spring Part number Colour code
90 2 seat utility (2400 Kg)
Front - Driver's side REB500200 Red/green/white
Front - Passenger side REB500220 Red/green/orange
Rear - Driver's side NRC 9448 Blue/red
Rear - Passenger side NRC 9449 Yellow/white
90 2 seat utility (2550 Kg)
Front - Driver's side REB500200 Red/green/white
Front - Passenger side REB500220 Red/green/orange
Rear - Driver's side RKB101230 Green/yellow/red

I would then check the spec of the spring, and make a decision about what you want to upgrade to...

This may also help:

http://bilashakaflowers.com/LandroverSprings.htm

There are some OEM springs for HD application available from LandRover if you don't already have them...NRC9462 and NRC9463...

I have bespoke springs from a company in Sheffield. See http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic49065.html

Craddock does Old Man Emu upgrade springs for a 90...

I would definitely install spring isolators to improve the ride and reduce road noise Thumbs Up

Just some of my findings when I upgraded my own suspension (altho I was softer not harder!)...

Hope that's useful Defender "Puma" 2.4 110 County Utility (possibly the last of the 2.4's)


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Post #706575 11th May 2018 2:48pm
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MartinK



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Pic showing the colour paint dabs to confirm what you have installed today...


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Left one is green/green/white (rear of a 110 CSW) Defender "Puma" 2.4 110 County Utility (possibly the last of the 2.4's)
Post #706577 11th May 2018 2:58pm
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BykerPete



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Thanks Martin.

Are there any specific spring isolators that you’d recommend?

Pete.
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MartinK



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http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic52898....+isolators
http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic23909....+isolators


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Post #706591 11th May 2018 4:19pm
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+1 For the isolators from me too. They get my vote. Thumbs Up Diesel$ Live$ Matter. ⛽️🛢️👨‍🔧🧰⚙️ RED, WHITE & BOOST! 🇬🇧
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BykerPete



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Thanks gentlemen. And does anyone have an opinion about HD Springs on rear only - or should they be fitted all round? (Assuming that the current springs are not HD)

Pete.
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You can fit HDs in just the rear, in fact if you fit HD's up front without much extra weight there then handling (and looks) can be a bit *strange*
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As people on here know my 90 is very heavy, re plated and both my 57 plate and now 12 plate have Extream HD springs +1in on the back only with the biggest roll bar they do. Always been a good set up for me vehicle looks level at all times even with a trailer. If everything is under control you are not going fast enough.

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BykerPete



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Springs Identified
Thanks Everyone

Looks like I’ve got these on the rear of my 90


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But the Green/Yellow/Red is on the passenger side rear.

However, Still sagging a bit at the rear should I perhaps go for a HD or Extreme HD with a 1 inch lift? And if I do, do I need to do anything to the front, or change any other parts that I’ve seen mentioned before?

Thanks,

Pete.
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MartinK



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Pete

IMHO you are heading in the right direction, but only you will know for sure once you ave done the mod and seen if you are getting the result YOU want,

I would do rears first, and then to fronts later if you decide you need to do it...

Changing all 4 at once is a long day Wink

Remember you may need to re-align your headlights Thumbs Up Defender "Puma" 2.4 110 County Utility (possibly the last of the 2.4's)
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BykerPete



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Thanks Martin. Very helpful.

If I raise the rears by 1” do I need to alter the propshaft or radius arms etc. Also, will I need to do any of this if I also raise the fronts by 1 inch?

Pete
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I dropped the rear by 4-5 cm, and the propshaft was fine. Not sure about raising, however with the weight you have, I would imagine that your vehicle is just sitting as it left the factory (the extra weight will push it back to standard-ish?) Defender "Puma" 2.4 110 County Utility (possibly the last of the 2.4's)
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prop should be ok, when you look at the amount of axle articulation there is as standard.
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BykerPete



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Okay. Some very useful advice thee. Thank you.

So, before I pull the trigger, would you say that this is a bit low to you?

Pete.
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