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| Naks Member Since: 27 Jan 2009 Location: Stellenbosch, ZA Posts: 2590   
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2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear 2015 Range Rover Sport V8 Supercharged 
Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9 Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ |
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19th Aug 2019 9:50am |
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| Naks Member Since: 27 Jan 2009 Location: Stellenbosch, ZA Posts: 2590
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2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear 2015 Range Rover Sport V8 Supercharged
Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9 Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ |
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19th Aug 2019 9:55am |
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| El Rey Member Since: 25 Aug 2015 Location: Gunbarrel Highway Posts: 60 
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Over time I'm starting to find the design too blocky and simplistic - which surprises me.
They're putting in a lot of effort and have some good ideas, so i hope it comes off for them though. |
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19th Aug 2019 11:23am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 16877  
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With all the depressing news and "reveals" coming (or not coming) out of Landrover, it is good to know that there is hope for the future.
The B2 looks promising. |
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19th Aug 2019 11:31am |
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| El Rey Member Since: 25 Aug 2015 Location: Gunbarrel Highway Posts: 60
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That's a good point. I think this vehicle has more of a future-looking Defender ethos than the actual 2020 defender - from what I've seen so far.
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19th Aug 2019 11:59am |
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| Ramsay Member Since: 30 Sep 2015 Location: Moffat, Dumfries & Galloway Posts: 625  
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I really like the design ethos and engineering.
I think they are a lot of testing away from a saleable product. Transmission maintenance times will have to be long with the portal final drives. I can’t see how it will pass pedestrian safety requirements with current design of rigid bumpers and mesh front. Cold and wet weather testing of the design need to show that the front loading aperture does not freeze and soak the interior. I could not find information on construction of the battery back but it is going to need to be strong as it forms the skid plate for the whole vehicle. I would like them to be targeting 400 mile range but I suppose 200 is the same as my Lightweight and I coped with that. I fear that although I like it it will never end up for sale in UK and Europe. 1995 Defender 110 CSW 1971 SIIA Lightweight |
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19th Aug 2019 12:30pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 16877
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Although they have said that there is an intention to bring it to Europe, I can foresee type approval issues. The US concept of a Class 3 truck doesn't exist over here, and the specs that they are promoting would make it an HGV (in effect it falls into a classification which we simply don't have over here). There are currently significant deregulations available for electric HGVs, but there would be problems owning and running one. It will be interesting to see how it develops.
Vehicles such as the Rivian appear to be an easier proposition to make UK compliant. |
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19th Aug 2019 2:05pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018 
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Tomorrow! 5pm ET sharp. See the new Bollinger B1 and B2 electric truck livestream reveal on Instagram, Facebook and YouTube.
[url]Bollinger Motors (@bollingermotors) Tweeted: Tomorrow! 5pm ET sharp. See the new Bollinger B1 and B2 electric truck livestream reveal on Instagram, Facebook and YouTube. https://t.co/xE19q9exz3 https://twitter.com/bollingermotors/status...s=17[/url] |
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25th Sep 2019 2:39pm |
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| Zed Member Since: 07 Oct 2017 Location: In the woods Posts: 3019 
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I want one.
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25th Sep 2019 3:02pm |
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| Ads90 Member Since: 16 Jun 2008 Location: Cots-on-the-Wolds Posts: 800 
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https://electrek.co/2019/09/26/bollinger-u...nd-pickup/
It looks like an 1980's cross between a Defender and a Lamborghini LM. Genuine question - with apparently no more crash protection than a JCB (maybe less), under what class can a vehicle like this be sold in Europe? I can see it being very useful for true utility, but can't see how it can achieve some sort of type-approval as a passenger-carrying vehicle? Edit: just read Blackwolf's take above - hmm, maybe it will never come here in it's present form anyway. |
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27th Sep 2019 10:17am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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There's apparently plans to export the model, and even a RHD version. However, you have to recognise that's probably said from a position of relative ignorance about the fine detail of selling a vehicle into the UK market.
Having said that I know very little about what a Class 3 truck means. But it does appear that it takes a different route to market than more traditional retail vehicles: "We are going to be fully road legal to federal motor vehicle safety standards as a Class 3 Truck. We do not need to do airbags, and we do not need to do crash testing as an entry point. What do we do as we get bigger and all that kind of stuff is another question. Right now we know we fit in a class if it goes this way, if we want to bring in the safety standards, we can do that at a later date or before this goes to production. The big thing is us finding the manufacturing method that we want to do most, whether it's fully third party or half third party to make major components for us. At that point, we can say we can engineer in these huge costs to engineering and crash testing and airbags. That's all possible and all doable. Right now it's a prototype, let's get it to where it is legal, and what the federal government thinks is safe." https://insideevs.com/news/332804/bollinge...-category/ |
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27th Sep 2019 10:52am |
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| Ramsay Member Since: 30 Sep 2015 Location: Moffat, Dumfries & Galloway Posts: 625
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If and I think it is a big if that they bring it to Europe it looks like it would need a C1E licence to drive it. So addition tests for many drivers. As the US class 3 is based on weight I guess they are putting battery packs into it until it meets the 3500 kg target. 1995 Defender 110 CSW
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27th Sep 2019 4:09pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 16877
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No "E" requirement unless you want to tow. There are many unanswered questions about bringing it to the UK, and although Bollinger has said it intends to personally I don't think they've assessed how difficult it could be. I hope it does come though.
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27th Sep 2019 5:59pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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Could they not just de~rate it for the UK market? Possibly not even change anything physical. As with regards to type approval, I noticed this week there was a EU recall notice against some recent Dodge Ram pickups and the type approval was just listed as "individual approval". |
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28th Sep 2019 2:57pm |
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