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CR

Member Since: 28 Jan 2010
Location: Ireland
Posts: 947

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 CSW Santorini Black

Bull Bar

Does anyone have any experience of the following bull bar from DOLIUM in Auz. ?

Is there a supplier in Europe ?

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6th Feb 2011 5:47pm

Glynparry25

Member Since: 16 Feb 2009
Location: Miserable Midlands
Posts: 3015

2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS DCPU Tonga Green

Looks like a ARB/ TJM copy.... would be worried that it comes above the bonnet... and it is illegal to purchase a Bull/Roo bar manufactured after 2007 for on road use.

Hence why I purchased a old TJM:

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Other thing to think about is winch fitment.... the ARB/TJM will fit a wide variety of winches where that one looks like it will only fit a generic low line winch.

Just my 2c worth

Glyn

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6th Feb 2011 6:12pm

T1G UP

Member Since: 08 Dec 2009
Location: Bath
Posts: 3101

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Orkney Grey

i got an ARB to go on my 90. won't fit at the mo due to the light guards getting in the way.

I have been led to believe this company will "supply" the parts to make a arb /tjm type bumper. Pic no. 20

http://www.pwsacc.co.uk/bumpers-winch-fitting.htm

6th Feb 2011 6:38pm

mse

Member Since: 06 Apr 2008
Location: UK
Posts: 5024

2016 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Scotia Grey

AHHH - i saw a farmer with an "odd" winch bumper/bull bar - it was one of these.

So you must be able to get them in the UK Mike

6th Feb 2011 6:42pm

Glynparry25

Member Since: 16 Feb 2009
Location: Miserable Midlands
Posts: 3015

T1G UP wrote:
i got an ARB to go on my 90. won't fit at the mo due to the light guards getting in the way.

I have been led to believe this company will "supply" the parts to make a arb /tjm type bumper. Pic no. 20

I would be worried about the legality of that. The fines for manufacturing a bull bar is crazy high if found out.- unless only for off-road use.... I have had to remove the light guards to fit the TJM one.... otherwise for them to be compatible the bumper would have to stick a long way off the front of the wagon.

Other option would be to go for a A-bar type if you want to keep the light guards.

Glyn

6th Feb 2011 6:44pm

CR

Member Since: 28 Jan 2010
Location: Ireland
Posts: 947

I dont think it will be a problem (legal) in Ireland on a commercial vehicle.

6th Feb 2011 8:31pm

Glynparry25

Member Since: 16 Feb 2009
Location: Miserable Midlands
Posts: 3015

CR wrote:
I dont think it will be a problem (legal) in Ireland on a commercial vehicle.

Unfortunatly it is European law for all vehicles.... the most you can get away with manufacturing now is winch bumpers with a small hoop on.

Stoopid European Laws

Glyn

6th Feb 2011 8:35pm

alantd

Member Since: 14 Dec 2008
Location: Northamptonshire
Posts: 1513

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Tonga Green

A ton of posts on the legality of these (search and you find heaps of posts).

It isn't illegal to buy them, or indeed to fit them - only to manufacture them for non-specialised use. If you can find one, buy it and fit it

They are allowed in winch bumpers or on vehicles that have a genuine need of one (commercial, farm, off-road...) so if you do much off road, you're probably fine. Regardless, owning and fitting isn't illegal - just manufacturing and selling

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8th Feb 2011 10:13am

Glynparry25

Member Since: 16 Feb 2009
Location: Miserable Midlands
Posts: 3015

alantd wrote:

It isn't illegal to buy them, or indeed to fit them - only to manufacture them for non-specialised use. If you can find one, buy it and fit it

Couldn't put it in words better myself

Glyn

8th Feb 2011 1:23pm

chiefstoker

Member Since: 11 Oct 2010
Location: Weston-super-Mud
Posts: 893

So your insurance company was ok with the fitment of these bullbars, even though the vehicle is newer than the bullbar legislation of 2007? 2005 TD5 90 Hard Top

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9th Feb 2011 8:08pm

mse

Member Since: 06 Apr 2008
Location: UK
Posts: 5024

chiefstoker wrote:
So your insurance company was ok with the fitment of these bullbars, even though the vehicle is newer than the bullbar legislation of 2007?

Probably until you kill someone and the actual insurance company come out! eg the loss adjuster and underwriter not the sales girl for the broker Mike

9th Feb 2011 10:52pm

nicks

Member Since: 21 Aug 2008
Location: south coast
Posts: 469

2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Alaska White

[quote="mse"]

chiefstoker wrote:
So your insurance company was ok with the fitment of these bullbars, even though the vehicle is newer than the bullbar legislation of 2007?

I checked and double checked with my insurance co to make sure and they are fine with it.

10th Feb 2011 10:29am

TC

Member Since: 21 Nov 2010
Location: Gloucestershire
Posts: 715

Glynparry25 wrote:
Looks like a ARB/ TJM copy.... would be worried that it comes above the bonnet... and it is illegal to purchase a Bull/Roo bar manufactured after 2007 for on road use.

Hence why I purchased a old TJM:

Click image to enlarge

Other thing to think about is winch fitment.... the ARB/TJM will fit a wide variety of winches where that one looks like it will only fit a generic low line winch.

Just my 2c worth

Glyn

Looking nice Mr Parry :thumbsup:

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10th Feb 2011 10:57am

Glynparry25

Member Since: 16 Feb 2009
Location: Miserable Midlands
Posts: 3015

chiefstoker wrote:
So your insurance company was ok with the fitment of these bullbars, even though the vehicle is newer than the bullbar legislation of 2007?

Bull bar Legislation,...... you have answere your own question...... I have read through the official document more than one time and it doesn't say anything about fitting a pre-2007 bull bar to a post-2007 vehicles.

As mentioned above, the legislation talks about the manufacture of the Bull bar, and the manufacture of new vehicles..... nothing about fitting one after the vehicle has been registred.

My insurance has been informed and have no issues at all with it.

TC wrote:
Looking nice Mr Parry Thumbs Up

Cheers mate, still a few things to do

Glyn

10th Feb 2011 5:31pm

wslr

Member Since: 18 Jul 2010
Location: Wellington, Somerset
Posts: 581

Sorry to drag this up again, but what is the official line with fitting a full fat bull bar like the ARB/TJM units? Anyone know?

EDIT:
To answer my own question:
http://assets.dft.gov.uk/publications/dft-...l-bars.pdf

3rd Feb 2012 12:00am

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