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| Lambley Member Since: 20 Apr 2013 Location: Mid Devon Posts: 1435   
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The weight of the vehicle is on the nuts, not on the hub where it should be, there is only 2 sizes of hubs, pre 1990 and later. As long as your nuts are tight you shouldn't get a problem.
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8th Mar 2016 2:04pm |
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| shaggydog Member Since: 12 Aug 2012 Location: Kent Posts: 3347 
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If you don't tighten them up, yes that would be a problem, but same problem if you didn't tighten up any other wheels.
Similarly, if you over tightened it and snapped the stud off it would fail and come off, but again that tiny little contact patch around the spigot will not stand a chance if the wheel is moving of holding the wheel on. Mine are exactly as pictured  Click image to enlarge They have been on there for 4 years with no trouble at all. I take the wheels off and inspect the breaks every other month and always make sure they are re-torqued up correctly and never had any issues with it. I put nut indicators on mine so I can give them a quick visual inspection every week to see if any have moved but they never have and I do 1760 miles a month as an absolute minimum. Hope that puts your mind at rest  Running Restoration Thread http://www.defender2.net/forum/post323197.html#323197
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8th Mar 2016 2:05pm |
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| Penguin Member Since: 08 Dec 2014 Location: Tienen Posts: 247  
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Did you had a look at the pictures of my previous post? You wont be able to put the original LR rims on a 124mm hub 28/02 - Loss of a good friend...
In a time of chimpanzees, I was a penguin. |
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8th Mar 2016 2:07pm |
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| Penguin Member Since: 08 Dec 2014 Location: Tienen Posts: 247
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 it does...... 28/02 - Loss of a good friend...
In a time of chimpanzees, I was a penguin. |
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8th Mar 2016 2:08pm |
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| shaggydog Member Since: 12 Aug 2012 Location: Kent Posts: 3347
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Lambly just to clarify, where is the larger hub info coming from?
The only change I know of in that respect was when the drive member went from the longer beefier ones fitted until late 200Tdi to the skinnier ones 300Tdi onwards which was so they could fit alloy wheels to them without needing spacers. The only difference I know of there was the length of the drive member and half shaft not the diameter. The exact date of when this changed I don't know... Running Restoration Thread http://www.defender2.net/forum/post323197.html#323197 Self confessed mileage hunter |
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8th Mar 2016 2:18pm |
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| shaggydog Member Since: 12 Aug 2012 Location: Kent Posts: 3347
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Fantastic Running Restoration Thread http://www.defender2.net/forum/post323197.html#323197
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8th Mar 2016 2:18pm |
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| Lambley Member Since: 20 Apr 2013 Location: Mid Devon Posts: 1435
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Sorry, yes my mistake, I was thinking that wheels after 1990 will not fit earlier models, but that's because they have drum brakes. But... the OP is saying that after 2007 the hubs are larger in his first question - which is wrong. There is no difference. What I'm trying to explain is that the hubs are the same, they have not changed in size. So - it's the WHEELS that are different, nothing to do with the hubs. That's all. Penguin is saying that 'You wont be able to put the original LR rims on a 124mm hub' - but there is no such thing, it's the size of his aftermarket wheels that are different in this case. (if that makes sense) |
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8th Mar 2016 2:29pm |
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| Penguin Member Since: 08 Dec 2014 Location: Tienen Posts: 247
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How will you be able to put my original Land rover steel wheels, with a center whole of 114.something mm on a 1990 defender, where the wheel hub is 124mm ??
Or did all previous defenders had a space of 5mm between hub and wheel? Saturday I'll remove a wheel and measure the center hub. 28/02 - Loss of a good friend...
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8th Mar 2016 2:34pm |
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| shaggydog Member Since: 12 Aug 2012 Location: Kent Posts: 3347
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Lambely I apologize you are correct, they did get narrower
Lhs earler beefier versions and rhs later skinnier versions, says KAM but ignore that as it was just advertising there fancy flanges and showing the difference between the two. I don't think it makes a difference to the wheel center size though but Pengins wheels will still be fine as long as he torques up his nuts correctly! Running Restoration Thread http://www.defender2.net/forum/post323197.html#323197 Self confessed mileage hunter |
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8th Mar 2016 2:36pm |
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| Penguin Member Since: 08 Dec 2014 Location: Tienen Posts: 247
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@Lambley
While looking for the post regarding the smaller center hub's, I came upon your post with your Zu Rims: http://www.defender2.net/forum/post506519.html#506519 They fit perfect. A zu rim CB = 124mm 28/02 - Loss of a good friend...
In a time of chimpanzees, I was a penguin. |
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8th Mar 2016 2:51pm |
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| Lambley Member Since: 20 Apr 2013 Location: Mid Devon Posts: 1435
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I give up
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8th Mar 2016 3:05pm |
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| shaggydog Member Since: 12 Aug 2012 Location: Kent Posts: 3347
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Right lets sort this out *dons anorak*
Correct, after market wheel steel wheel hub centres are larger. I don't know why, I imagine it is probably a standard blank that suits a multitude of different makes and they just change the pcd and number of bolt holes. Defender Standard steel wheels will fit from 83-16, the centre of the wheel has not changed, the hub has not changed. It gets confusing when you try and fit land rover alloy wheels to earlier vehicles. The Drive Flanges have changed, up until 94 (citation needed) they were the larger heavy type as fitted to defender up until the last of the drum braked vehicles. You cannot fit alloy wheels to this type of drive flange because the flange is thicker and longer which means the centre cap of the alloy wheel does not fit and is why you see some earlier defenders with alloys fitted and the standard dust cap poking out the middle rather than the alloy one. I believe there are also issues with the way the alloy fits over drive flange as they are thicker which means they do not engage enough or cause stress . This is why it is recommended to fit hub centric spacers. This is because defender alloy wheels do not centre on the wheel nuts they centre on the hub. After 94 they fitted disk brakes and the thinner drive flange type which meant that you can fit alloy wheels to the front and rear axles without the need for spacers. The reason everyone says do not fit alloys on drum braked defenders is because it is easier to identify a drum brake than a drive flange. But the case still remains that the diameter of the hub has not changed. Hope that clears things up a bit. Running Restoration Thread http://www.defender2.net/forum/post323197.html#323197 Self confessed mileage hunter |
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8th Mar 2016 3:11pm |
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| Penguin Member Since: 08 Dec 2014 Location: Tienen Posts: 247
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ok... so far I'm all in
What is that diameter of the hub? 28/02 - Loss of a good friend...
In a time of chimpanzees, I was a penguin. |
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8th Mar 2016 3:16pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17868 
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True, but since no Landrover nor Defender has ever had a 124mm hub, there's no problem.
Easily, since a 1990 Defender has 114.5mm hubs like all other Defenders! Can you explain why you think that any Defender has ever had a larger hub? Better yet, provide a picture. All you've done is provide a photo of a non-Landrover wheel that has a bigger than standard hole and suggest that this proves that a 1990 Defender has oversize hubs. |
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8th Mar 2016 3:23pm |
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