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thor44



Member Since: 18 Sep 2015
Location: Ahrntal, Südtirol
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2014 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 SW Indus Silver
Would you swap a 90 SW E for a 110 SW S?
Hi guys, I'm currently having an offer for a used 110 SW S (first registration: 2012, 60.000km) which would cost me 35.000€ (approximately 25.000 GBP).
At the moment I have a MY90 SW E, first registration April 2015 with 16.000km which I got new from the dealer.
The dealer offered me 33.500€ for mine, which means I would have to pay 1.500€ (1.000 GBP) extra to get the 110.

Would you swap a first hand 90 for a 3.5-year old 110 for these conditions?

I do really struggle with the decision as I love my 90, but it simply doesn't offer the required space from time to time. Additionally I really fancy the look of the 110s, especially with bigger tyres on, which makes the 90 somehow look like a toy-car (no offense). My use for the Defender is mainly getting me to work every day, getting me around the mountains here in the Alps and for the 1-2 times a year going on vacation (Iceland and Morokko are on my wishlist). There are of course many upsides for the 90 as it is more agile and easier to maneuver in tight spots or around the city, but I would also like the ability to stop thinking about how many people and luggage are going to fit into it.

Thanks in advance for your answers!
Post #471235 10th Nov 2015 10:40am
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stew 46



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I'm a disco 3 owner , and have been for a few years now , but I really mis my 110 s I've had over the years and I'm thinking of going back to a 110 Thumbs Up I have never seen the point of a 90 myself , as a builder I've always needed the space Thumbs Up , I would go for the 110 Thumbs Up
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McGeordie



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United Kingdom 2014 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Montalcino Red
Thor44
I had a 90 H/T from new and loved it, for me 90's just look so good and I miss it, however it went at 4yrs old, as I needed more space and it was genuinely as good as new condition wise.
I have a 110 USW now, more comfortable, more space and more practical in the same type of use as yours.
I wouldn't worry about the age, just look at the condition, if its been owned by a careful and considerate owner(s) then there shouldn't be any issues, especially if you are buying from a dealer. Sold Def 90 HT 2010...Stornaway..(SOLD in Oct 2014)
Current: delivered October 2014:- 110 USW XS.....Montalcino Red
Post #471244 10th Nov 2015 11:09am
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NinetyTD4



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Would I swap a 90 for a 110? Definitely not, unless I really have an urgent need for the bigger inside. If you drive mostly alone, like the handy 90 and don't want to deal with the almost never water tight rear doors, stay where you are and rent a bigger car for the little occasions you need it - my5cents. Especially in the alps, a 90 is like a mountain goat, while a 110 is more towards Hannibals elephant, sorry guys. Never forget: cars have owner, Landrover have field service personnel.
Post #471250 10th Nov 2015 11:49am
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thor44



Member Since: 18 Sep 2015
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2014 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 SW Indus Silver
Haha, dang, you're making things not easier! Very Happy It seems like the dispute I'm having with myself runs troughout the entire Defender community.

I guess in an ideal world I would have both, a 90 as daily driver and a 110 for getting stuff and people around and of course for travelling the world. Unfortunately my financial means don't like that idea at all...

NinetyTD4, you're absolutely right with the mountain goat, especially when having to turn around on a one lane road with a cliff to one side and the mountain on the other...


If I only could tell if this one was a 90 or a 110....


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Post #471257 10th Nov 2015 12:16pm
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gabe3105



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Ignoring the arguments about whether the 90 or 110 is best for you, personally with those numbers I wouldn't swap. List price of a 110 is only about £2k more than for a 90 so their offer seems to suggest that your 90 has depreciated far quicker than the 3.5 year old 110, even though the 110 has much higher mileage.

If you really want a 110, sell your 90 privately and buy a 110 with cash Thumbs Up
Post #471259 10th Nov 2015 12:25pm
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Venomator



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^ ^ ^
I had a 90 SW until recently but, like you, needed the additional space, versatility and comfort of a 110... Whistle

So I went for a 110 Utility XS, although I have improved it somewhat so it is more like an upgraded SW than a Ute now... Whistle

Would I go back to a 90... Question

Not on your Hannibal Elephants nelly... Laughing

Although I might consider the shorter wheelbase if ever circumstance would allow me a Series 2/2A... Mr. Green  Rog... Mr. Green
The GREEN One...

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Post #471260 10th Nov 2015 12:28pm
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thor44



Member Since: 18 Sep 2015
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2014 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 SW Indus Silver
gabe3105 wrote:
Ignoring the arguments about whether the 90 or 110 is best for you, personally with those numbers I wouldn't swap. List price of a 110 is only about £2k more than for a 90 so their offer seems to suggest that your 90 has depreciated far quicker than the 3.5 year old 110, even though the 110 has much higher mileage.

If you really want a 110, sell your 90 privately and buy a 110 with cash Thumbs Up


Thanks for your reply gabe. To be honest, the price I would get for mine isn't bad at all for what I've paid for it. Additionally, the 110 is a trim S (+winter-package, carpet, raid steering wheel) instead of a E which mine is...

One big plus for the 110 I reckon, is the ability to be able to sleep in it, even if it is only an emergency solution while overlanding (sleeping in a roof top tent with high winds isn't that much of a pleasure)...
Post #471262 10th Nov 2015 12:43pm
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Lambley



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I don't think I'd swap unless I was desperate, dealers will always cover charges and make in excess of 3,000 GBP across any deal. In effect you'd be losing out in the long run, the 110 to the dealer is worth around 22,000 GBP.
Sell it privately and then go back to the dealer - offer 23,500 GBP - no more.
Post #471270 10th Nov 2015 1:03pm
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NinetyTD4



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After a bit of thinking, why swap and why not take both? You may even find a 130 to join the other two, or a nice old S1, and a S2, and a S2a, and a S3, maybe both 88 and 109, and a nice looking FC ... at what stage your misses most probably will have killed you already Wink. Never forget: cars have owner, Landrover have field service personnel.
Post #471276 10th Nov 2015 1:25pm
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YOLO110



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I went the other way... 110 to 90!

I have absolutely NO regrets!

I bought my 110 after several months of pontificating between the 2. The 90 'seemed' too small for my intended use... what that was I am not sure, but as I am 95% of the time alone in my car it seemed rather an illogical choice.

I sold my 110 after 6 months (for a good profit!) and bought my dream Keswick Green 90 SW.

I had heard 'stories' that the 110 had a MUCH better ride than the 90. I notice no difference in the ride between the 2. I had visions of fitting it up with loads of kit for weeks away on the road. Given it's me, there is lots of room in the 90 with rear seats removed. I took my kids (adults!) out in the 110 for a few hours and they all complained sitting in the back of no legroom and the non reclining seats. They also could not hear me (plus side was the reverse!!)

I love the more 'nippy' feel and performance of the 90. I think it feels and looks more 'traditional'. I does everything I want of it!

So in conclusion, unless I REALLY had a reason to go from a 90 to a 110, I would stay put! Especially if the change was going to cost me or put me into an older vehicle. All IMHO of course!

Pete Smile YOLO... You Only Live Once...
Post #471279 10th Nov 2015 1:35pm
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JOW240725



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United Kingdom 2012 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Orkney Grey
We bought a MY2012 110 XS SW as my wife's everyday car six months ago and we both just love it! Yes it's like turning the titanic but other than turning circle it really is no bigger than my SAAB 93 which isn't huge. We couldn't even consider a 90 with the kids and a dog in tow, just too small but I'd go for 110 everyday.

However I wouldn't rush in to taking the Dealers offer, look around see what other 110's are available, try and find as newer, low mileage one as you can afford!
Post #471289 10th Nov 2015 1:51pm
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K9F



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United Kingdom 2008 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Stornoway Grey
Buy a roof rack. Swap to a 110? Only if I really wanted a turning circle and handling of an oil tanker. Whistle

Agree about 'the numbers' bit above too!

You already stated you love your 90. Adapt! Thumbs Up If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!!

Treat every day as if it is your last....one day you will be right!!
Post #471299 10th Nov 2015 2:10pm
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thor44



Member Since: 18 Sep 2015
Location: Ahrntal, Südtirol
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2014 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 SW Indus Silver
I guess you're right! Maybe outsourcing the recovery-gear-box up to the roof rack will make things a little easier for me. This year isn't obviously the best year to buy Defenders anyways if I'm looking at the exorbitant prices some people are calling.
Thanks all of you for your time and effort keeping me on the right track. Thumbs Up Bow down


PS: Any hints to some useful aluminium storage boxes to mount on a frontrunner rack? Very Happy
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K9F



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A few leads perhaps re storage boxes......Give Brendan a call. Thumbs Up

leeds wrote:
Land Rover World did an article on storage boxes this month.

There are lots of possibilities ranging from fully kitted out drawers/chest such as those like Mobile Storage Systems, Black Widows imported by Boab. WVA/Safari Equip are also doing a range of drawers. From what I have seen those are excellent.

Aluminium boxes such as Zarges or Alu Boxes. There is one size which will drop between wheel arches, and is lighter and cheaper then the MSS Store Chests The ali boxes have a rubber seal and are dust/water resistant

Bare Boxes are as name says bare metal finish. Believe you have to fit your own locks

Wolf Boxes are imported by both Flat Dog and Nene Overland. Unfortunately neither of them can get hold of the high box lids.

Really Useful boxes available from Staples are good and come in a wide variety of sizes.

Avoid the cheap boxes from the Big Sheds as they break easily.

Mud Stuff do a Interior Panel for 90's. Believe they will do one for 110's. They intend doing a wire support so a cargo net can be fitted to the panel.

Map pockets/cargo nets available from many sources.

Many years ago I got a LR accessory which was a high level wire cage. A great bit of kit which have not seen since. BOAB are also doing a high level shelf.

HTH

Brendan
 If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!!

Treat every day as if it is your last....one day you will be right!!
Post #471307 10th Nov 2015 2:44pm
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