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| munch90 Member Since: 26 Oct 2013 Location: guildford Posts: 3558  
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I like the idea of the servo ( not got bad knees yet ,but it will come with defender ownership
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good point about the leaving in gear and not being able to push clutch with no vacuum assist I thought that they also fitted a vacuum tank , does it not hold the vacuum long enough to allow a couple of pushes without engine running maybe you have a small leak , only guessing as never even seen one |
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18th Oct 2014 6:19pm |
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| Go Beyond Member Since: 30 Jan 2012 Location: Headcorn, Kent Posts: 6677 
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I fitted one of these kits today to my TD5 trayback.
I'd bought it off a guy on Facebook who has started to fit it and lost interest. The instructions are not that good and took a fair amount of deciphering but the end result is truly amazing ! Watch this space, I'm thinking of offering them on our website |
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18th Oct 2014 7:05pm |
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| grafty99 Member Since: 15 Aug 2012 Location: North Devon Posts: 4784 
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Please excuse my ignorance but without the servo assistance isn't the clutch standard stiffness?
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18th Oct 2014 7:07pm |
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| munch90 Member Since: 26 Oct 2013 Location: guildford Posts: 3558
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I was wondering the same , like I said never seen one ,but be interested to know all about it and fitting etc
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18th Oct 2014 7:19pm |
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| OleDave Member Since: 19 Oct 2013 Location: CARDIFF Posts: 175 
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Hi Guys, I will try to answer all your questions in this. There is a vacuum tank which gives an additional reserve and the tank is fitted on the underside of the offside wind behind the air filter, initially I thought it was under the wheel arch liner as the instructions were not that clear but after talking to Rod Barry of Red Booster, who I will say is a fantastic help it all became clearer.
To be honest Rod advised me that he is trying to modify the instructions to make them clearer as and when questions arise, in saying that after careful study of what was available currently they do make sense when you have been involved in the prep of fitting one. I did not fit it myself but had the garage I use fit it for me, prior to delivering it to them I took some time to work out what was what, the way I looked at it was if I could not figure it out how to fit it could I expect them to do it. Possibly what Rod could do is offer a small exploded componant drawing which would better indicate what goes where, the pictures are good but do not explain it fully. The vacuum does not deplete in an instant after turning off the engine but like all vacuum systems over a period especially if you operate the clutch with the engine off the vacuum fades and then there is not enough to operate the servo, after restarting the engine the vacuum very quickly returns. And in answer to the question should the clutch pressure be the same when there is no vacuum as it was pre servo fitting the answer is no its not, its like standing on a rock as your pushing against an empty vacuum cylinder, Rod Barry advised me that yes it can be depressed with no vacuum but that puts excessive weight on the linkage which you do not want, I have not tried that myself as yet as I have not needed too. In conclusion the servo and the kit is exceptionally well engineered and made, its by no means a cheap piece of rubbish and does what it says on the box if fitted properly, for me it was well worth the money and much better value to my knees than fitting fancy grills or flash wheels which would have done nothing other than make it look good sitting on the drive. Had it not been for this mod I would have had to seriously considered selling my darling, now I look forward to hearing that diesel spring into life every day and the clutch pedal quickly become as soft as a babies butt which puts that smile on my face each time I start it up 
Hope the above is of some help to you guys, if you want any further info please ask. In conclusion I never ever like making reccomendations on anything as what suits me does not suit everybody, however, on this occasion I would reccomed this to anybody thinking of having one fitted especially if you suffer from knee, leg, or hip problems, it was a blessing for me. Regards Ole Dave |
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19th Oct 2014 10:02am |
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| pob1968 Member Since: 20 Apr 2014 Location: uk Posts: 239 |
Hi Go beyond, any idea what cost it would be fitted? 110 Hardtop
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19th Oct 2014 10:58am |
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| Go Beyond Member Since: 30 Jan 2012 Location: Headcorn, Kent Posts: 6677
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We estimate a garage would have no problem installing the kit in one day, however it is within the capabilities of the average 'home mechanic' to do it themselves
More details here: http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic32167.html Last edited by Go Beyond on 20th Oct 2014 11:40am. Edited 1 time in total |
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19th Oct 2014 11:10am |
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| gilarion Member Since: 05 Dec 2013 Location: Wales Posts: 5086  
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For a group buy....FCX |
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19th Oct 2014 1:52pm |
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| Go Beyond Member Since: 30 Jan 2012 Location: Headcorn, Kent Posts: 6677
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These kits are so competitively priced already that it would have to be a VERY large Group buy
More info here: http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic32167.html |
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20th Oct 2014 11:42am |
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| OleDave Member Since: 19 Oct 2013 Location: CARDIFF Posts: 175
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Hi all, just a quick one this time as there seems a lot of intrest in the Red Booster clutch servo modification to the Defender.
If anyone is interested having one of these fitted to your Defender and you live in and around the Bridgend/Cardiff/ Swansea/ Brecon area of South Wales or within a reasonable distance I can advise a Garage that can fit the kit for you in one day if you do not want the hassle of fitting it yourself, they did mine and did a wonderful job of doing it. They are also experienced in repairs of all of the Land Rover range of vehicles and have all the diagnostic equipment required to solve niggling problems so they know their stuff. Just drop me a quick message and I will give you their details. Hope this helps Old Dave |
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20th Oct 2014 12:39pm |
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| Matt110 Member Since: 29 Jun 2014 Location: UK Posts: 673
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Question if I may.
A vacuum assisted servo clutch sounds like a great idea. But where does the vacuum come from? If the answer is manifold then I assume this depletes the brake vacuum assistance quicker. Ergo, drive up a mountain, where engine vacuum is at its lowest differential to atmospheric and thus at its least effective, drive down a hill the other side using the box constantly to save the brakes.... You can see where I'm going with this query! I actually think its an outstanding idea and would love one, FCX put me on your interested list! But that above bugs me unless someone somewhere has done some system calculations! If the answer is an electric vacuum pump, problem solved  |
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20th Oct 2014 1:13pm |
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| Go Beyond Member Since: 30 Jan 2012 Location: Headcorn, Kent Posts: 6677
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The original brake vacuum comes from a dedicated pump at the front of the engine that is belt driven.
This kit utilises that pump to fill a stand alone reservoir (supplied in the kit) that feeds both the brake and (new) clutch servo. There certainly seems to be plenty of capacity to operate both servos, however I will ask the manufacturer for any available calculations |
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20th Oct 2014 1:20pm |
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| Paddie42 Member Since: 24 Apr 2014 Location: Hamphire Posts: 230 
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Sorry for the stupid question.....
If you leave it in gear and you then cannot depress the clutch, couldn't you move the HIGH - LOW selector to netural? This would at least allow you to start the vehicle and then depress the clutch to disengage the gear. Or am I being thick. |
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20th Oct 2014 1:31pm |
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| OleDave Member Since: 19 Oct 2013 Location: CARDIFF Posts: 175
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Hi Matt110, I have had the booster fitted to my defender now for months and have towed my caravan up and down all manner of places including hills during the summer, as yet I have never found any problem with the vacuum depleating enough to give any problems with braking or clutch operation.
Paddie42 that is a good question and one I cannot answer at the moment, if I do get to that situation again I will give it a shot, maybe somebody on here with the booster has tried it, I would be interested to hear also what the outcome was shifting the high/Low into neutral as I had not considered trying that, maybe I was thick?. The additional vacuum tank is no small item and must be around 100mm square x 300mm long roughly, I would measure it but do not fancy taking out the air filter sorry to get at it. It seems more than adequate for purpose, if Go Beyond can get some calcs I would be interested myself also. Ole Dave |
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20th Oct 2014 2:44pm |
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