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hxk494



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question for all Patriot roof rack owners out there
Hi,

I've just picked one up second hand and have still to fit it. Question I would like to know clearance from the flat section of the roof to the lowest part of the rack? I've got a 90 county with a sunroof and want to know if it will open when rack is on or not - I know I could lift it on for a trial fit but my wife is not the tallest so will take a bit of organising to get some tall friends round to help and would rather do that just once.

If it won't open then I'm planning to silicone it shut - hopefully that will sort the damp seat out. I'm not convinced if it's leaking or just condensation but is becoming a bit of a pain now.

Cheers,
Martin. 1996 300Tdi Defender 110
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Blacktt600



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Hi, just measured mine and its 30mm to the lowest point been a bolt head. Surely the sunroof is on the sloping bit though?
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Since i never bother with a sunroof in a Defender, another area for leaks !!

Can only guess the distance back to the rear of the your sunroof,, but 3" is all you have, to the under side of a Patriot California F1, 75th 110 "Kermit", 50th Ann V8, 90 V8 Hybrid, 55 Series 1

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3"? Mines 21/2" to the under side of the bars going the length and 11/4" to the underside of the cross bars which have bolt heads lower than that hence the 30mm clearance.
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TJ101



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Now measured to be sure

Taking a guesstimate where the rear of a sunroof would be ? ie in line with the B posts,,
I was not far out, 75mm (smidge under the 3") under the longitudinal rack beams,,
My second cross bar is another 4" behind the B post line

Presuming its the standard LR Sunroof that tilts up at the rear. as id over the front seats ? California F1, 75th 110 "Kermit", 50th Ann V8, 90 V8 Hybrid, 55 Series 1

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Blacktt600



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That would explain the difference, I measured from the flat section of the roof not the sloping front.
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Hopefully, its the sloping front bit, is where his sunroof is fitted !!

At 3 ", From memory i doubt it will fully open , as a bit more that that, to be locked open California F1, 75th 110 "Kermit", 50th Ann V8, 90 V8 Hybrid, 55 Series 1

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hxk494



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thanks for the quick response.

Yes, sunroof is on front, sloping section of roof, but rear of sunroof is only 20-30mm forward of point where roof angle changes. Looking from side the rear of the glass is practically level with rear (flat) section of roof when closed.

It should miss the second cross rail OK so looks like it may still be possible to open (type with wheel not cam so can be opened to any extent, not just closed/half/full open) once the rack is on.

May still consider sticking it down as getting a bit fed up with the drips - though as I say I'm not convinced they are not just condensation freezing there on the cold nights.

Thanks,
Martin. 1996 300Tdi Defender 110
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Martin, your roof will open if it is the rotary wheel type opener but not fully so be careful to leave it short of the rack. As for the water ingress- try smearing silicon grease around the rubber once it has been cleaned of dirt and anything which may cause a break in the seal.
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Have in the past as a temp measure that stayed in for years ! on a old 300 Tdi,,
ran some 12v wire in under the seal to perk it up,, did the trick California F1, 75th 110 "Kermit", 50th Ann V8, 90 V8 Hybrid, 55 Series 1

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hxk494



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will try cleaning and silicone grease first. Interested to hear a bit more about the 12v wire trick?

One more question for those with a patriot rack - I've looked for a serial number on mine and can only find one number stamped - it's on the rear corner bracking bracket (small bracket inside rack frame at rear n/s corner). I've emailed manufacturer but still waiting for reply so though I would ask here too.

From the patriot web site the number is on a part not supplied as spare (makes sense) but looks to me as though this could easily be swapped out? I would have thought one of the side rails with patriot logo would be a more logical place for it as these are about as specific to the rack as you can get?

M. 1996 300Tdi Defender 110
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I too have a 'third-hand' Patriot Rack. Perhaps a point to note may be is that early production Patriot Racks were not serial numbered. Mine isn't. It depends how old it actually is.

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hxk494



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hmm, I had wondered if earlier ones may not have a number.

Not sure of the age of this one but definitely not that new. Will be interesting to hear where the serial number on the more recent models is actually located. 1996 300Tdi Defender 110
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they have a serial number Shocked

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Hi guys, all Patriot racks should be serial number stamped on the rear frame corners, depending on how they were fitted when the rack was assembled they could be on the upper or lower edge.
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