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| 22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3140   
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If you look at the old brockhouse trailers sold as an add-on for series 1s they never had lights originally, nor does my 1963 dixon-bate tool trailer. They did however have to have reflectors, and in the case of my D-B trailer it was painted with black and white stripes for visibility. My tool trailer does have fittings to carry a numberplate, but has no means to illuminate it. 2011 110 USW
1973 Series III 1-Ton 1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker 1969 IIA 1-Ton 1966 IIA 88" |
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4th Sep 2013 9:09am |
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| JWL Member Since: 26 Oct 2011 Location: Hereford Posts: 3443  
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I came across this information leaflet the other day, it's written in language you can understand and also gives you the information for towing abroad
http://www.rya.org.uk/sitecollectiondocume...ATIONS.pdf Pretty much all questions are answered here and bearing in mind that boats can often be some odd shapes when they're on a trailer, does give you an overall idea of what goes and doesn't. |
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4th Sep 2013 9:41am |
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| walfy Member Since: 29 Aug 2007 Location: Frome Posts: 2642 
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That leaflet might be easy to read and understand but it has no legal standing. You can't quote it if you are stopped by the plod. Therefore, for me it's not worth the paper it's written on. 110 D250 SE HT
110 USW SOLD RRE HSE Dynamic Gone, wife killed it VOLVO XC60 R Dynamic with some toys Polaris RZR 900XP SOLD |
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4th Sep 2013 11:01am |
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| JWL Member Since: 26 Oct 2011 Location: Hereford Posts: 3443
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That's fine, it's a leaflet, a guide and if you notice on the first page you might just find the relevant pointers to where the information was sourced. For a general guide I found it fairly straightforward.
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4th Sep 2013 11:11am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 16892 
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Brockhouse trailers from 1949 to 1954 had two Lucas "D" lights (as used on S1 80") and a "T" reflector. From 1955 they had Lucas "pork pie" lights (as used on 86/88/107/109 S1) with a round reflector above each light. Irrespective of type, the lights were mounted on plates on either side of the tailgate aperture and were very susceptible to damage. Sadly neither configuration in completely original condition would be legal on the road today. |
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4th Sep 2013 8:01pm |
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| lambert.the.farmer Member Since: 11 Apr 2012 Location: harrogate Posts: 2006 
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Serious question for arc99; are all home built trailers now banned or is it just new builds ie is there a cut off date and also how does repurposeing an older trailer get on? Rhubarb and custard let fly with their secret weapon.
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4th Sep 2013 8:56pm |
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| Sphere Member Since: 26 Apr 2013 Location: Midlands Posts: 725
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I understand its new trailers that now have to be type approved, any trailer built before this came into force are ok. I attended a seminar at the CV show a couple of years ago so guessing the date is then. I had one built a month or two back and it didn't cost much or two hard as long as the trailer is to the law anyhow, it's the paperwork and time the biggest issue.
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5th Sep 2013 7:36pm |
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| lambert.the.farmer Member Since: 11 Apr 2012 Location: harrogate Posts: 2006
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Effectively what you are saying is that a new build trailer needs to be iva'd like kit cars and the like? Rhubarb and custard let fly with their secret weapon.
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6th Sep 2013 7:26am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 16892
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You might find this from the website of Armitage Trailers of interest.
Quoting part of the liked page: "ALL TRAILERS MANUFACTURED AFTER OCTOBER 28, 2012. New laws that apply to almost every trailer completed after 28-10-12 mean that very few new trailers can be sold or used in the UK unless they have an approval certifcate. This change has been brought about by a vehicle quality standardisation programme instituted by the United Nations, requiring whole vehicle type approval on new trailers made or sold in the UK. These rules have been in place in mainland Europe for many years. What it means to us in the UK is the end of cowboy trailer building. Every part of the manufacturing process and every bought-in part used to assemble a trailer now has to pass stringent quality controls. There are two main ways of achieving this approval. The larger manufacturers are expected to have sought and gained whole vehicle type approval certifcation for their trailers in much the same way as Jaguar, BMW or Ford have been granted type approval certificates for the cars they make. Smaller and specialist manufacturers, like ourselves, who do not have huge production runs of identical trailers, are more likely to go down the individual vehicle approval route. We, and companies like us, will submit every trailer we make for inspection by the UK Government's Vehicle and Operator Services Agency. VOSA's inspectors will go through every trailer with a fine-tooth comb, checking the quality of construction and of the materials used. They must also check that every bought-in component, such as brakes, axles, lights and hitches, has proper EC approval. The only trailers that do not need to be submitted for approval are stock trailers that were completed before October 29, 2012 or special purpose trailers. One-off trailers that are designated "special purpose" fall under the testing regime from the end of October 2014. As we understand the law, the approval rules also apply to trailers built by a person for his or her own use." So it seems you can still build your own, but it must be put through the IVA process. |
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6th Sep 2013 11:56am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 16892
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Here's a link to the IVA inspection manual for trailers in PDF format.
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6th Sep 2013 12:05pm |
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| dondiddy Member Since: 13 Nov 2012 Location: Hamilton Posts: 224  
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Not sure how this will stop home builders as surely all they have to say is the trailer was build prior to this date or is a "special purpose trailer"and is therefore outside the regulations. Any date marked items can be explained as an updated part that was fitted to an existing trailer.
I notice that sellers on Ebay are still selling build your own "special porpose"kits If the trailer is in poor condition then the user can still get a fine under existing traffic laws. If the trailer is a new build and is done to a good standard then it is unlikely to be an issue if they were stopped by the police unless of course there was an accident involving the trailer in which case it could be a different story. As trailers do not have log books or chassis numbers if a home build then proving when something was built might be rather difficult.As you do not have to tax a trailer (Non HGV) but simply start using it once it is built how is anyone going to know that it is new and should have had an IVA?  |
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6th Sep 2013 12:33pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 16892
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I think you've hit the nail on the head!
Another piece of crackpot legislation from second-rate law-makers. |
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6th Sep 2013 2:18pm |
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| timbar Member Since: 30 Jul 2013 Location: Milton Keynes Posts: 245 
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IW trailers have a serial number and chassis code, but that's not for legal use; more internal quality control and theft tracking I imagine.
http://www.iwt.co.uk/customer-care/faq-cat...assis-code 2009 110 XS Station Wagon |
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18th Sep 2013 5:27pm |
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| Likeomg Member Since: 29 Jun 2012 Location: Lake District / Newcastle Posts: 2626 
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its a
 this trailer stuff, i'm 20 and can tow 3.5 ton according to what i interpret, unfortunately my boat + defender is 3.64 ton... have to take the test. can tow no problem had a quick lesson with an instructor before the test and he said just go for it... nothing too bad |
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18th Sep 2013 11:19pm |
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