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Not even the dealers are safe
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-20310205

I know it's not a Defender, but still to walk in to the dealers and just drive away.
Post #184711 13th Nov 2012 6:20pm
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bpman



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why do Some dealers leave the keys in the ignition ? it's plain negligent - especially as you have entrusted you vehicle with them

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Post #184736 13th Nov 2012 7:10pm
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JeremyJ



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bpman wrote:
why do dealers leave the keys in the ignition ? it's plain negligent - especially as you have entrusted you vehicle with them


That's a sweeping statement. One person has left the keys in a vehicle. Unless you know of multiple dealers that do this? I don't.
Post #184774 13th Nov 2012 8:31pm
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bpman



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Jeremy wrote:
bpman wrote:
why do dealers leave the keys in the ignition ? it's plain negligent - especially as you have entrusted you vehicle with them


That's a sweeping statement. One person has left the keys in a vehicle. Unless you know of multiple dealers that do this? I don't.



noted and updated my statement Thumbs Up
Post #184781 13th Nov 2012 8:39pm
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Post #184783 13th Nov 2012 8:43pm
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James @ Grange Barnet LR



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Gross misconduct resulting in summary dismissal I'd say.

In fairness not leaving keys in a car (ever) is one of the most basic things taught. I'd suspect that the fact that 'it had never happened before' was a contributing factor!

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Post #184786 13th Nov 2012 8:47pm
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ZeDefender



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Isn't the point that it was one of ten cars that had just come off a transporter? Seems reasonable to leave keys in for a few minutes whilst you move the cars around. I suspect the thief was ready and waiting and knew the drill - "candy from a baby" as our colonial friends would say Wink Tell someone you love them today because life is short.
But shout it at them in German because life is also terrifying and confusing...
Post #184802 13th Nov 2012 9:15pm
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James @ Grange Barnet LR



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One of the oldest and most obvious tricks in the book! Follow us on Twitter: @GrangeBarnetJLR Thumbs Up
Post #184804 13th Nov 2012 9:18pm
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I have been working lately with a major car dealership/main dealers, and their procedures around key management are actually really good and better than you would think. As part of my Job I also asked how many cars they have lost over the past few years and was surprised by the answer. Given the amount of cars they handle both new and used and service cars they have only lost two from direct theft not counting finance fraud which is not their loss as it is other agencies that should check these things.

One of the those was and 'inside Job' and was recovered fairly quickly and the second was stolen off the transporter, by a guy dressed in their uniform!! but they have again changed the way they off load cars.

Jason.
Post #184916 14th Nov 2012 12:56am
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warren



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I was at our local Motorpoint a few months back, most of the cars were left unlocked, and a couple of them had the keys left in the ignition. They were 'penned in' with bollards, but one of the cars, a Shogun, could easily have taken a little run up to get over the bollard. I'm sure that must have been a careless employee just leaving the keys in the ignition, but they didn't seem too fussed when I told a staff member. Rolling Eyes

In the States one of the used car places there had the keys in the cars, but cable tied around the steering column! Like that would stop you from driving off the forecourt!
Post #185019 14th Nov 2012 5:39pm
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IKke



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I know for a fact that certain car manufacturers store their cars which waiting for transport unlocked with the key in it. Overnight and all. Scaling the real deal.
Post #185043 14th Nov 2012 7:02pm
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