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Laurie



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Cut outs and Temp Gauge
On our way up to Wales with the caravan we eperienced a number of brief engine cutouts with a simultaneous flicking of the temp. guage into the red. A slight lift off the throttle returned us to normal. This only happened when driving around 60 mph. I assumed it was related to the already noisy fuel pump giving reduced pressure at high demand.
A new OEM pump was fitted.
However, on the return journy from Wales without the caravan (We're going back to Wales at the end of the month) we got the same thing several times, always when over 60 mph.
The fuel filter was changed at the same time as the pump.
Any ideas what's causing it? 
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davew



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The temperature gauge would suggest the ECU is powering down for some reason. Possibly something like a dodgy electrical connection/supply.

Do you have an aftermarket/additional immobiliser that might be killing the master relay ?

Have you checked the loom/ECU plugs for oil ?

The temperature gauge on the TD5 Defender is driven by the ECU and if you power the rest of the vehicle up without powering up the ECU the gauge goes up to max which is why I think that's probably significant. http://www.yorkshireoffroadclub.net/
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Glynparry25



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Similar to what Dave says- have you double checked the battery connections?..... Very simple thing but can catch people out.

Glyn Dog Sheep
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diesel_jim



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Usually caused by a bad earth on the ECU casing itself... there should be a thin black wire with a ring terminal, bolted through one of the ECU mounting bolts.

Try either cleaning this up, or for a better cure run another cable (preferably black and of a similar or slightly bigger size than the original one) straight back to the battery, or another GOOD earth point.
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vulcanfreak



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Check the connections to the impact sensor on the engine bulkhead (ruberey thing with a reset button)
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diesel_jim wrote:
Usually caused by a bad earth on the ECU casing itself... there should be a thin black wire with a ring terminal, bolted through one of the ECU mounting bolts.

Try either cleaning this up, or for a better cure run another cable (preferably black and of a similar or slightly bigger size than the original one) straight back to the battery, or another GOOD earth point.


Jim's right. If the ECU can't see a reading from the coolant temp sensor, it raises up the temp gauge on the instrument pack, at which point the ECU cuts the engine as a failsafe.

With the ignition on, or engine running, wiggle the wiring behind the powertrain ECU and where the loom passes out of the underseat compartment. See if the temp gauge flinches around and note what you did. I've seen the loom leaving the ECU multiplug pulled tight on some Td5's and this caused the issue.
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Laurie



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Thanks guys. Looks like you're all saying basically the same thing. Will investigate and report. 
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Laurie



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Have investigated.
It would seem, that in their infinite wisdom, Land Rover decided to not alarm their customers.
When you start your TD5 the temp. guage rises slowly to a preset midpoint.
After that, it remains at midpoint until the coolant temp. reaches 105° when it instantly moves to the red sector of the guage and puts the engine into limp mode.
I heve the XS version which includes aircon which reduces the airflow through the main radiator. I hadn't noticed that, while doing normal Land Rovery things, both radiators had become partially bloked by mud.
Clearing both rads has cured the problem. Very Happy 
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me@td5.org



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I have experienced this also, it seems the guage is an analogue representation of a digital scale. In mine one minute it was OK next it was in the red. After slowing down for a few mins it was OK again.

At the time I put it down to thermostat operation but as soon as I got a chance to check it I realised this was not the case. There was hardly any water in it!
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Laurie



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My repairer took it for a fast drive with me watching his ECU reader.
The temperature on that showed a slow increase, while the guage remained at normal. 
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TR51



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Glad you got it sorted Laurie, and good to know the cause for the future!!
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Laurie



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Cheap fix too Very Happy 
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JWL



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Guess what I'll be doing this week?....... Cleaning my rads out to at least allow air flow through them as they are pretty much 80% blocked with crud from the Plains and North Wales, some of that crud was added following you Laurie! Mine actually showed up a couple of falterings coming back on the A14 yesterday evening after keeping up a steady 60/65mph with occasional quicker bursts for overtaking. With an A bar and 2 large spots covering the front, air flow is less than a 'clean fronted' Defender but never given issue before. I have a feeling that the outside temperatures in the high 20's coupled with a fairly brisk cross wind may have been contributary factors.
Post #167296 10th Sep 2012 10:22am
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