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| leeds Member Since: 28 Dec 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 8578  
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First point is, do you really need a winch?
Ensure you get some training for using a winch. Winches are a useful tool but use incorrectly can be dangerous. Have a read of recovery bible here to get an idea of forces involved What winch to go for? Get a winch with a good reputation rather then a cheap ebay type knock off. Am not sure which ones are readily available in your part of the world. Size? 9,000-9,500 lbs is adequate. IF really stuck use a snatch block doubles potential recovery force. Steel cable or synthetic rope? Steel is cheaper, but if things go wrong can prove more dangerous. Synthetic ropes? Do not believe all the hype that synthetic ropes will just fall to the ground. I have seen them fly when they break. Treat the synthetic rope as dangerous as a steel rope, maintain that safety zone and safety practice and you will be fine. Security? Presumably of winch. How secure is your vehicle? Tamper proof nuts or some weld but just remember you also might want to take it off Brendan |
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30th Apr 2012 11:57am |
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| Froggy Member Since: 01 Apr 2012 Location: Stellenbosch South Africa Posts: 17  
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Flying the flag in a country full of Toyota's! |
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30th Apr 2012 4:15pm |
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| pouf Member Since: 05 Aug 2010 Location: Athens Posts: 456  
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i don't have a winch yet and i want to ask if there is any statistics about the cheap ebay type winches. how ''bad'' are they? is it truth that they are not good or just a rumors? thanks www.newfoundland.gr |
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30th Apr 2012 7:50pm |
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| big steve Member Since: 24 Dec 2009 Location: hertfordshire Posts: 2456 
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Ring David bowyer and buy a goodwinch Tds I have one in the rear of my truck and have just sold my 8274 to replace it with a Tds for the front with a bow 2 motor you can go wrong with it
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30th Apr 2012 9:01pm |
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| leeds Member Since: 28 Dec 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 8578
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Statistics?
Am not sure that you will find any public statistics to prove or disprove how good or not the cheap ebay winches. If you have a winch equipped vehicle you are more likely to push your limits because you have a winch and get further into the mire. If that is the case then you want a reliable winch, more so if you are a solo vehicle. A friend of ours does not learn from experience and insists on buying ebay elcheapo gear including a winch. He went into a long mud run got bogged, paid winch cable out and it took in about 6" of cable and died. Would not even take in cable without load. Used only a handful of times. Our Warn winches pulled him out no problem. Also I know various people in associated industries and one sells winches. He has a much higher returns rate on the cheap winches compared with the more respected brands. OK no statistics, make of it what you will. Me? I will recommend people to stick to winches which have established good reputations. No, I do not stock or sell winches. Brendan |
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30th Apr 2012 9:16pm |
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| noworries4x4 Member Since: 24 Dec 2010 Location: Newton Abbot Devon Posts: 1195 
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I have just replaced a siezed up Warn 9500i with a Goldfinch TDs from David Bower looks very well made and reasonably cheap, having a real pain in the arse trying to fit it to my bumper, just sent it to our hauliers workshop to be attacked with a plasma cutter and some welding. If everything is under control you are not going fast enough.
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30th Apr 2012 9:48pm |
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| Projectblue Member Since: 22 Nov 2011 Location: Devon Posts: 1096
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Ask yourself this question: My [insert thousands of £/$/e value here] landrover is hanging by it's winch and the safe and secure recovery is down to the cheap/reasonable/quality (delete as applicable) winch and rope. Am I confident in it's ability - or do I fear it will let me down because it was cheap off ebay? Cheap winches are cheap for a reason. Their internals, gears, brakes, solenoids etc are all of a cheaper price. If you want to winch a boat onto a trailer, or a car up the bed of a ramp, or you just want the thing to toughen the look and you'll never need to rely on it, maybe buy a cheap winch and take the chance. I've got a Bowyer Superwinch 9.5 and synthetic cable - it cost £500 all in 5 years ago and I'd back my 110 off a cliff (figure of speach  )  |
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1st May 2012 11:49am |
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| Zagato Site Supporter Member Since: 08 Jan 2011 Location: Billingshurst West Sussex Posts: 4990
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No chance for many, you simply can't leave many trailer boats in the water - apart from cost to moor, many don't have self draining cockpits so will just fill up and sink. If the winch on my trailer stopped working and left the boat halfway on the trailer I would be seriously screwed which is why I have put a big hand winch on instead! The guy that previously commissioned my boat trailer tried to save money and bought a cheap winch, it was rated high enough but the motor burnt out first go. They put a bigger cheap winch on but he found the nose weight from the trailer was then too heavy for his tow bar. I prefer a hand winch if you have the muscle becuase you can feel how much tension is involved, it's all to easy to pull the bow eye through the front of the boat when the boat is stuck but the winch carries on yanking  Have seen it a few times...
I threw his big one away 
If anyone wants advice on which winches look cool, how to keep them clean and polished, best cable that looks shiny, where to put your stickers, and what covers look best to keep the muck off.....I'm your man  ....I have weeks of experience  It wouldn't be for using of course |
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1st May 2012 12:57pm |
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| Froggy Member Since: 01 Apr 2012 Location: Stellenbosch South Africa Posts: 17
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Thanks all.
Lots to consider. Brendan,thanks for the detailed information and link. I certainly wont be buying the cheapest and I will be sure to be shown how to use it correctly. Cheers Froggy. Flying the flag in a country full of Toyota's! |
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1st May 2012 1:20pm |
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| davew Member Since: 02 Jan 2012 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 888 
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For normal self recovery use, I'd +1 the Goldfish TDS 9.5 from Dave Bowyer. So much so I recently bought one for the front of Pam's 90. Not the fastest winch in the world but good, solid and reliable. As with others I'd avoid the cheaper ebay "chinese" winches, they are cheap for a reason.
On the steel/plastic (commonly called synthetic although I have no idea what isn't "synthetic" about steel !) rope front I'd look at how you expect to use it and how you're likely to use/abuse it. Plastic ropes have three advantages over steel - weight, flexibility and safety if they snap. The only disadvantage compared to steel is that they are more likely to snap either through previous abuse or abrasion. Plastic ropes stretch with normal use and as they stretch their breaking point reduces. It's not really a problem if you take care of the rope and protect it from shock loading and abrasion against the ground but if you think you're likely to hook the rope up and go then plastic isn't for you unless you fancy replacing the rope on a regular basis. In competition it's not unusual for plastic rope to be replaced before every competition. Many competitors are running much bigger diameter rope than is really necessary because larger diameter ropes have more of a "safety factor" that allows them to absorb more abuse before their breaking point is reached. 11mm or 12mm are commonly used where, on paper, 9mm is strong enough. Steel rope can be a pain to handle and maintain in good condition but is relatively bomb proof. Cross overs on the drum can cause it to be crushed (ideally new rope time) and fishhooks (where a strand is cut) can slice through your hand if you're not wearing decent gloves to handle the rope - never let wire rope slide through your hands. I've had steel winch rope cut through leather welding gauntlets when tensioning it back onto the drum. Steel is generally less forgiving of bad drum layering/winding than plastic. Personally I'd phone/contact Dave Bowyer and get a 9.5TDS with a suitable length of 11mm Bowrope  |
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1st May 2012 2:43pm |
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| leeds Member Since: 28 Dec 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 8578
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Froggy you might find info here useful, SA based
Warn winches in SA are available from stockists here Also David Bower has lots of information LEARN WITH DAVID Brendan |
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1st May 2012 3:10pm |
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| Froggy Member Since: 01 Apr 2012 Location: Stellenbosch South Africa Posts: 17
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Perfect thanks Brendan.
Froggy Flying the flag in a country full of Toyota's! |
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1st May 2012 3:19pm |
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| df1 Member Since: 06 Aug 2011 Location: Ireland Posts: 221 |
Any views or experience on the Britpart winches ?
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1st May 2012 6:48pm |
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| bob neville Member Since: 30 Apr 2009 Location: Marbella Posts: 3247  
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Britpart
No idea but their reputation for other things is not the best. I have a Superwinch Talon on the 110, excellent winch but heavy. On the 90 I think I will go for a Goodwinch 9.5. They seem to have a very good reputation and are based just down the road from me. Who wants to oraganise a group buy
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1st May 2012 6:56pm |
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