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| jst Member Since: 14 Jan 2008 Location: Taunton Posts: 7725  
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i have a set of pulleys off the garage roof which run back with para cord to a 12v portable electric winch, i use an anderson to power the winch, carabinas on the corners on 4 luggage hooks i fitted to the maggi. takes about 10mins to lift it off inc undoing the bolts. it will also lift the rack (patriot 110) and the tent complete if needed. Cheers
James 110 XS Utility 130 Puma Station wagon/camper (in the making) 90 Puma Hardtop |
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15th Jan 2013 12:16pm |
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| donmacn Member Since: 07 Nov 2017 Location: Nth Scotland Posts: 1833 
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Well, I know this is a pretty old thread, but it's the question or issue I'm thinking about at the moment so I'll try tagging my question onto the end. If no-one bites, I might start another.
Like the posts above, I have a roof tent, and need to work out an easy solution to getting it on and off so that it doesn't become a chore and therefore a barrier to using the tent. Ideally I'm looking for something where I can do the bulk of the work solo, perhaps with my wife able to guide the tent and bars down onto the car when we're fitting it. I have a garage, with a door that was made high for trailered boats with A frames - but it's going to be very, very tight to get the LR in there with the tent mounted. I have about 2cm spare at the moment with my 'myway' tent, and I have my eye on a Baroud hardshell, which is about 5cm higher. Even if I got it in there, a bigger problem presents itself, that the building is one of these lightweight jobs - rolled steel frame and pressed panels. Getting anything structural in there, even for a 50-70kg roof tent would mean fabricating some sort of internal scaffold pole frame. But first things first, I'd struggle to get the car in with the tent - impossible if I was to go for the likes of 255/85 tyres. So, my tentative working solution at the moment is to repurpose a 4m 'deer post' in the garden - about a 10" diameter post, which is set 1m+ deep into the ground. It was part of a substantial play fort I built for the kids years ago. I think I could mount a jib to this, with a working height of 2.7/2.8m. I plan a set of pulleys and a hand winch to lift the tent and roof bars off the car; drive the car away; and lower the tent onto a trolley which I would then pull round to the garage that's under the house. (This one's too low for the Defender to get in, far less Defender + tent) Here, I would have to build a wooden frame, mounted onto the roof/floor joists, and then winch the tent up to what would be its storage location. Once it was up there on the winch, I would fit a couple of 'failsafe' bars/beams underneath it. Now - finally getting to my question - in this storage garage, it's high enough, but not excessively so. I wouldn't want to lose 30 or 40 cm to my lifting tackle. So I'm looking for small pulleys, at a rating safe enough to lift a 65kg tent and 3xHannibal roof bars. Maybe about 80 kg all up. Certainly less than 100kgs. Does anyone have any knowledge or pointers for a good source of these. I found these ones, https://www.liftingsafety.co.uk/product/tractel-ec-3274.html but even the smallest is 180mm, and by the time you add on shackles and roof hook or ring, that's a lot of my headroom gone. Any suggestions gratefully received. I can get pics tomorrow if that helps visualise what I've tried to describe. Donald 1994 Defender 300Tdi 110 SW - owned since 2002 - 230k miles and going strong (The 'rolling restoration' or tinkering thread: http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic58538.html ) 2000 Range Rover P38 4.0L V8 in the past.. RR classic - fitted with 200Tdi 1984 RR classic - V8 with ZF auto box 1993 Discovery 300Tdi not to mention the minis and the Type 2 VW camper... |
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7th Jun 2020 8:39pm |
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| s55shh Member Since: 30 Dec 2019 Location: staffs Posts: 186 
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anyone tried a ladder loader type roofrack? Like the ones on the electric company utility 110s
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7th Jun 2020 8:53pm |
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| jst Member Since: 14 Jan 2008 Location: Taunton Posts: 7725
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Pulleys I use are about 20mm diameter. Galvanised fittings hold them to rafters Cheers
James 110 XS Utility 130 Puma Station wagon/camper (in the making) 90 Puma Hardtop |
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7th Jun 2020 9:58pm |
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| jst Member Since: 14 Jan 2008 Location: Taunton Posts: 7725
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91kg load. https://www.truenorthsailing.co.uk/blocks/...X_EALw_wcB Cheers
James 110 XS Utility 130 Puma Station wagon/camper (in the making) 90 Puma Hardtop |
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7th Jun 2020 10:01pm |
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| donmacn Member Since: 07 Nov 2017 Location: Nth Scotland Posts: 1833
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Perfect! That's just what I was hoping someome could point me to.
That's tiny, relatively speaking, and at that cost I could double up to avoid coming anywhere near the weight limit. Thanks for posting that link. Donald 1994 Defender 300Tdi 110 SW - owned since 2002 - 230k miles and going strong (The 'rolling restoration' or tinkering thread: http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic58538.html ) 2000 Range Rover P38 4.0L V8 in the past.. RR classic - fitted with 200Tdi 1984 RR classic - V8 with ZF auto box 1993 Discovery 300Tdi not to mention the minis and the Type 2 VW camper... |
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7th Jun 2020 10:28pm |
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| jst Member Since: 14 Jan 2008 Location: Taunton Posts: 7725
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One on each corner, they won't need doubling, its what 20kg a corner? Cheers
James 110 XS Utility 130 Puma Station wagon/camper (in the making) 90 Puma Hardtop |
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8th Jun 2020 3:42pm |
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| donmacn Member Since: 07 Nov 2017 Location: Nth Scotland Posts: 1833
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Thanks James - yep, I think I was coming at it from a different direction.
My initial thoughts had been around one central pulley on the roof, with the winch line going down to the hook/tent. Then, with these smaller ones, I was thinking of something akin to an old-fashioned clothes pulley - two pulleys, one for each end of the tent - roughly 40kg each. With that, I think I could winch on two ropes and tie it off easily enough. Unless there's a neat way of co-ordinating the lift via four pulleys and ropes that I haven't considered? My experience is almost entirely of winching boats onto trailers, or a 'tirfor' to pull the Landy up the small slope into the garage, so in both instances a straight pull with the winch, no pulleys or changes of direction involved. This is one of these things that's so much better explained with a picture. I'll see if I can get a pic mocked up to show what I mean. Donald 1994 Defender 300Tdi 110 SW - owned since 2002 - 230k miles and going strong (The 'rolling restoration' or tinkering thread: http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic58538.html ) 2000 Range Rover P38 4.0L V8 in the past.. RR classic - fitted with 200Tdi 1984 RR classic - V8 with ZF auto box 1993 Discovery 300Tdi not to mention the minis and the Type 2 VW camper... |
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8th Jun 2020 4:43pm |
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| jst Member Since: 14 Jan 2008 Location: Taunton Posts: 7725
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4 pulleys, 4 separate ropes. One to each corner. Working above your head to lift/tie off one end will be hard work on that size pulley.
One each corner, separate ropes, lift a corner, tie it off, lift the next. Thread rope through an old bit of pipe to give something to pull on if tieing a loop. Or bowline a stick in place and pull on that with one hand. Drop tyre pressures to get it in garage. Cheers James 110 XS Utility 130 Puma Station wagon/camper (in the making) 90 Puma Hardtop |
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8th Jun 2020 5:44pm |
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| donmacn Member Since: 07 Nov 2017 Location: Nth Scotland Posts: 1833
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^^^ Yep, I thought about tyre pressures - and even about the practicality of buying 15 or 14" wheels and putting the cheapest possible tyres on them!
But in fact, having sat and looked at where it needs to go, and thought again about the weights involved, I think you've suggested the easiest and least-complicated solution. The thing that will make the difference here - and avoid making the tent an expensive garage ornament - is making the mounting/demounting of the tent as easy and stress free as possible. So in the grand scheme of things, pulling and tieing off four ropes in rotation, with a 20kg loading on each meets that need. A little more time consuming but straightforward and simple. I'll still need to make up a jib or boom outside to lift it off the car, but I have the room and facilities to do that easy enough. Donald 1994 Defender 300Tdi 110 SW - owned since 2002 - 230k miles and going strong (The 'rolling restoration' or tinkering thread: http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic58538.html ) 2000 Range Rover P38 4.0L V8 in the past.. RR classic - fitted with 200Tdi 1984 RR classic - V8 with ZF auto box 1993 Discovery 300Tdi not to mention the minis and the Type 2 VW camper... |
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9th Jun 2020 7:47pm |
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| Sulisuli Member Since: 30 Oct 2016 Location: South west Posts: 4791 
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Could you use 4 of the blocks James suggested attached to the ceiling with 4 lines running back to the type of hand winch you have on a boat trailer mounted vertically on your garage wall so all 4 lines are winched at the same time lifting the roof tent squarely off? I know what I mean but don’t know if you can picture what I mean
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9th Jun 2020 8:55pm |
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| sako243 Member Since: 08 Jul 2014 Location: Wales Posts: 1190  
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I reckon my method would be simplest (not that I have a roof tent nor want one).
 Click image to enlarge Granted not everyone might have a JCB but you can't deny it's not simple  Ed
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9th Jun 2020 9:25pm |
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| donmacn Member Since: 07 Nov 2017 Location: Nth Scotland Posts: 1833
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Sulisuli - thanks - I know exactly what you mean, and I had kicked that idea around too.
I think it came a cropper when I started to think about the lengths of rope/wire rope involved. One thing I haven't mentioned above is that I don't want to have 4 ropes (or 2, or even 1) running diagonally from the roof blocks to the tie-off points at the wall. They'd just get in the way, and you'd be permanently ducking and swerving around them. So, what I'll eventually have is a rope ( or 4) running straight up the wall to a pulley, and then across the roof to the 'lifting' pulley, and down to the tent. So, if the tent had to be lifted say, 2m, and there was another 2m from one of the 4 lifting pulleys to the wall pulley, and then down to the winch, the spliced or combined ropes would have to pass through the wall pulley. As you said, I know what I mean, but I'm not sure I've described it very well! Sako - a grand idea - but even if I had a JCB it still wouldn't fit in the garage!! Donald 1994 Defender 300Tdi 110 SW - owned since 2002 - 230k miles and going strong (The 'rolling restoration' or tinkering thread: http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic58538.html ) 2000 Range Rover P38 4.0L V8 in the past.. RR classic - fitted with 200Tdi 1984 RR classic - V8 with ZF auto box 1993 Discovery 300Tdi not to mention the minis and the Type 2 VW camper... |
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9th Jun 2020 10:06pm |
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| LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11240 
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Faced with a similar problem for my Oztent roof box, I fixed an electric scaffold hoist in the roof of my garage and then built a wooden frame to convert the single hoist cable into a four point lift around the box. The hoist is good for 250kgs and the box is lifted steadily at the push of a button:
Click image to enlarge Darren 110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak "You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought!" - Princess Leia |
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9th Jun 2020 10:53pm |
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