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Honker

Member Since: 26 Jun 2011
Location: St Albans
Posts: 353

2014 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Corris Grey

2.4 vs 2.2

I've a 90XS 2.4 and today drove the new 2.2 both on road and offroad at the LRE Luton Hoo.

First off from cold, its much quieter to fire up, less clatter , and also smoother. Idling away its significantly quieter and smoother too and I'd also be tempted to use the word 'refined' in comparison.

Driving off and the whole noise/vibration/harshness is better than the 2.4. It spins up easier too ( only had 350 miles on the clock) , and the pull from lower rpm is better. This was a 110 and so I expected it to feel tardier than mine, but it didn't.

In fact if you score the 2.4 as a 5/10 this is a 7.5/10.

Offroad it did all the daft things that these vehicles can do with ease.

Really only the DPF issue hangs over this engine as a black spot, and although I could try and post rationalise that this would put me off it......but I can't (for what I use the vehicle for I hasten to add).

So out of the box comparison , no mods, and its a better lump/installation. Arse... unless you're getting one, in which case...Bastid

Job 1 in the New Year , soundproofing and a lead blanket for mine!

Stui

21st Dec 2011 2:38pm

jst

Member Since: 14 Jan 2008
Location: Taunton
Posts: 8233

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Stornoway Grey

interesting, doing a similar comparison at LRE against my own 2.4 i thought there was no noticeable difference. Cheers

James
110 2010 XS Utility
130 2011 M57 bespoke Camper
90 2010 Hardtop
90 M57 1988 Hardtop

21st Dec 2011 4:29pm

DefenderOfTheEarth

Member Since: 09 Nov 2010
Location: Cornwall, UK
Posts: 1304

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Tonga Green

This will be the same as Td5 vs TDCi, will go on forever, will get heated, will be pointless.

They are slightly different, some plus points to the older unit, some for the newer one.

Lets keep calm, enjoy what we have and NOT try and score points over others. We all love Defenders (well mostly!). Just enjoy it/them. Defender 110XS SW gone... now VW California 180 4 Motion.

21st Dec 2011 5:29pm

Honker

Member Since: 26 Jun 2011
Location: St Albans
Posts: 353

No idea what drama the switch to tdci from the td5 caused, however the differences (to me) were more than expected. Still thats the natural progression and development of these things, hopefully no one will throw a teddy.

Stu

21st Dec 2011 5:58pm

dgardel

Member Since: 30 Nov 2008
Location: Veneto (Heart & Head)
Posts: 3586

jst wrote:
interesting, doing a similar comparison at LRE against my own 2.4 i thought there was no noticeable difference.

Because Defender builded in difference days have different "soul" depending from the quality assembly (low same time) Discovery 5 td6 HSE Stornoway Gray Outback Engineering Limited Edition

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21st Dec 2011 8:27pm

K9F

Member Since: 12 Nov 2009
Location: Bournemouth
Posts: 9610

2008 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Stornoway Grey

Defender's previous post is 'bang on!' It reminded me of a previous quote of mine which is also true in this case.....

K9F wrote:

"He believes that whatever solution Land Rover finally picks, ‘it won’t please everyone’, because with so many fans and opinions it will be difficult to avoid disappointing some."

We will undoubtedly bleat as loud and be just as critical and vociferous when the new one is launched as TD5 owners were on the launch of the Puma and TDI owners before that and .........!

I am sure the 2.2 will undoubtedly prove it's worth after all it's had 6 decades of development....

If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!!

Treat every day as if it is your last....one day you will be right!!

21st Dec 2011 9:42pm

T1G UP

Member Since: 08 Dec 2009
Location: Bath
Posts: 3101

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Orkney Grey

dgardel wrote:
jst wrote:
interesting, doing a similar comparison at LRE against my own 2.4 i thought there was no noticeable difference.

Because Defender builded in difference days have different "soul" depending from the quality assembly (low same time)

Hows the engine cover getting on dgardel?

21st Dec 2011 9:47pm

dgardel

Member Since: 30 Nov 2008
Location: Veneto (Heart & Head)
Posts: 3586

T1G UP wrote:
dgardel wrote:
jst wrote:
interesting, doing a similar comparison at LRE against my own 2.4 i thought there was no noticeable difference.

Because Defender builded in difference days have different "soul" depending from the quality assembly (low same time)

Hows the engine cover getting on dgardel?

no time to "study" the fitting yet .....

Discovery 5 td6 HSE Stornoway Gray Outback Engineering Limited Edition

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22nd Dec 2011 1:38am

SGH

Member Since: 27 Sep 2010
Location: Hellingly-Sussex
Posts: 1527

Cannot wait for my 2.2 130 to arrive

993 Varioram - Guards Red
Defender 2.5 300TDI 110 HCP - Keswick Green
Defender 2.2 TDCI 130 HCP - Orkney Grey - GONE
Discovery 4 SDV6 HSE LUX - Corris Grey/Black Pack - GONE
Discovery 4 SDV6 HSE LUX - Montaciano Red/Black Pack - GONE

30th Dec 2011 8:13pm

T1G UP

Member Since: 08 Dec 2009
Location: Bath
Posts: 3101

dgardel wrote:
T1G UP wrote:
dgardel wrote:
jst wrote:
interesting, doing a similar comparison at LRE against my own 2.4 i thought there was no noticeable difference.

Because Defender builded in difference days have different "soul" depending from the quality assembly (low same time)

Hows the engine cover getting on dgardel?

no time to "study" the fitting yet .....

chop chop!

30th Dec 2011 9:27pm

BigWheels

Member Since: 21 Mar 2010
Location: Somerset
Posts: 1405

2008 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Tonga Green

Re: 2.4 vs 2.2

Honker wrote:
I've a 90XS 2.4 and today drove the new 2.2 both on road and offroad at the LRE Luton Hoo.

First off from cold, its much quieter to fire up, less clatter , and also smoother. Idling away its significantly quieter and smoother too and I'd also be tempted to use the word 'refined' in comparison.

Driving off and the whole noise/vibration/harshness is better than the 2.4. It spins up easier too ( only had 350 miles on the clock) , and the pull from lower rpm is better. This was a 110 and so I expected it to feel tardier than mine, but it didn't.

I have been on 2 LRE full days using a 2.4 (110) Defender. Both times their different vehicles were quieter than my 90.

LRE vehicles are LR serviced & highly maintained at Solihull I was told by an instructor, as they are demonstration vehicles, they always seem as new smooth quiet compared to privately owned ones. Don't be too harsh on your vehicle! Land Rover Defenders. 67 years heritage, minimal appearance changes, still going strong all over the world. Not a fashion vehicle, but fashionable to own. Made for the needy, not the greedy. Ta ta Defender

2nd Jan 2012 11:26pm

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