lrmaniac wrote:

ZeDefender wrote:

seriously cool looks (strangers come and talk to/envy me in car parks about it). I don't think any other car/truck would get this passionate response and in this world of continuously breeding "steroidal" plastic SUVs, it's good to have something (relatively) stable.

You are going to loose that if the new DC looks like that when it comes out ... It doesn't look cool, it's a charcterless vehicle, just another SUV on the market ...

As the replacement will be all-new, it doesn't matter what it looks like you will loose the cool-factor anyways, I see no way around it.
The reason the current car has the wave-ability, is the fact that you know the other driver is a fellow sufferer.
There will be no sacrifices to be made for driving the all-new model.
Just like the classic Mini v. the new BMW Mini, you don't have to have been a Mini enthusiast to desire one...

So if you want to drive a classic - keep the one you've got.
If you want to use a Defender for the 21st century - drive the new one.

Ideally, I'd have one of each, but I'd still prefer the new one to look more like the old one!

Another thought - if the Defender had been incrementally updated like the Porsche 911, we wouldn't be in this situation to begin with.
And another parallel - imagine if the RR Classic was still in production, and the new one was only just proposed...

Ads90 wrote:

The reason the current car has the wave-ability, is the fact that you know the other driver is a fellow sufferer.
There will be no sacrifices to be made for driving the all-new model.
Just like the classic Mini v. the new BMW Mini, you don't have to have been a Mini enthusiast to desire one...

Setok wrote:

Ads90 wrote:

The reason the current car has the wave-ability, is the fact that you know the other driver is a fellow sufferer.
There will be no sacrifices to be made for driving the all-new model.
Just like the classic Mini v. the new BMW Mini, you don't have to have been a Mini enthusiast to desire one...

But the BMW Mini actually looks quite a lot like the classic Mini (except being huge in comparison) ... ?

Tell me about it - a "Mini" Countryman came up my ar*e (not meant as it sounds ) the other day and I thought it was going to swallow me (also not meant... oh, I give up ) Tell someone you love them today because life is short.
But shout it at them in German because life is also terrifying and confusing...

22900013A wrote:

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/11/16/land-rover-dc100-concept-defender-la-2011/#continued

Read the user comments at the bottom.

Looked at the photo and was just a little bit sick in my mouth
I liked the "Mini" comment at the bottom... Tell someone you love them today because life is short.
But shout it at them in German because life is also terrifying and confusing...

22900013A wrote:

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/11/16/land-rover-dc100-concept-defender-la-2011/#continued

Read the user comments at the bottom.

JSG wrote:

22900013A wrote:

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/11/16/land-rover-dc100-concept-defender-la-2011/#continued

Read the user comments at the bottom.

It's an improvement over the original DC100. 20" wheels still to big though, but some of the text has promise.

I suppose its better in the way vegimite is better than marmite...  2011 110 USW
1973 Series III 1-Ton
1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker
1969 IIA 1-Ton
1966 IIA 88"

22900013A wrote:

JSG wrote:

22900013A wrote:

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/11/16/land-rover-dc100-concept-defender-la-2011/#continued

Read the user comments at the bottom.

It's an improvement over the original DC100. 20" wheels still to big though, but some of the text has promise.

I suppose its better in the way vegimite is better than marmite...

Aha - now your whole argument is flawed  Tell someone you love them today because life is short.
But shout it at them in German because life is also terrifying and confusing...

lrmaniac wrote:

ZeDefender wrote:

seriously cool looks (strangers come and talk to/envy me in car parks about it). I don't think any other car/truck would get this passionate response and in this world of continuously breeding "steroidal" plastic SUVs, it's good to have something (relatively) stable.

You are going to loose that if the new DC looks like that when it comes out ... It doesn't look cool, it's a charcterless vehicle, just another SUV on the market ...

BigMike wrote:

There is absolutely zero mileage to be gained by discussing the concept car to death. Wait until the final version is released for sale then do your whinging (or not as the case may be)

I strongly disagree with you. This IS the time to discuss it ... when the final version is released, there will be no more time to discuss it ... It's done then!

you think landrover is watching this forum, eagerly anticipating the next post lest they make a small mistake and upset the ginger beer brigade? come on. A company like landrover does not release a product without knowing full well its going to sell. there will have been focus groups, testing groups, advisory panels, millions spend on consulting. If LR price this vehicle in the right area, they're going to sell a lot of them. they said it would be a replacement for the defender, not an upgraded defender, just keep that in mind.

If you think the nay sayers here are the LR market for the new vehicle, you may as well stop moaning, because they really don't care what you think

BigMike wrote:

lrmaniac wrote:

ZeDefender wrote:

seriously cool looks (strangers come and talk to/envy me in car parks about it). I don't think any other car/truck would get this passionate response and in this world of continuously breeding "steroidal" plastic SUVs, it's good to have something (relatively) stable.

You are going to loose that if the new DC looks like that when it comes out ... It doesn't look cool, it's a charcterless vehicle, just another SUV on the market ...

BigMike wrote:

There is absolutely zero mileage to be gained by discussing the concept car to death. Wait until the final version is released for sale then do your whinging (or not as the case may be)

I strongly disagree with you. This IS the time to discuss it ... when the final version is released, there will be no more time to discuss it ... It's done then!

you think landrover is watching this forum, eagerly anticipating the next post lest they make a small mistake and upset the ginger beer brigade? come on. A company like landrover does not release a product without knowing full well its going to sell. there will have been focus groups, testing groups, advisory panels, millions spend on consulting. If LR price this vehicle in the right area, they're going to sell a lot of them. they said it would be a replacement for the defender, not an upgraded defender, just keep that in mind.

If you think the nay sayers here are the LR market for the new vehicle, you may as well stop moaning, because they really don't care what you think

Unike some of their main dealers who threaten members when they dare complain on here...  Defender 110XS SW gone... now VW California 180 4 Motion.

twopoint6khz wrote:

I think most of the displeasure is not that LR are making the vehicle, but that they are making the vehicle and calling it a Defender replacement when it isn't - i.e. cynically cashing in on the Defender name but really just making another luxury SUV.

BigMike wrote:

they said it would be a replacement for the defender