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boxoftricks



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United Kingdom 2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Zermatt Silver
Swivel Seals
I have a leaky swivel seal on a 2010 2.4 tdci (BA Chassis number). Predominantly driven on the road with the occasional green lane day so no real abose.

No obvious play in the top/bottom pin bearings however having done 130k miles I'm wondering if worth replacing the bearings and top pin at the same time?

Now many miles would you expect to get from these bearings? Is it worth changing at the same time to save doing the job twice?

I can't find an OEM ABS kit - any suggestions?
Post #1025204 19th Feb 2024 7:15pm
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blackwolf



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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey
My swivel bearings, pins, balls, and seals are all original although there are few shims left in them, and my Defender has done 275k miles.
Post #1025210 19th Feb 2024 7:36pm
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Dinnu



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Malta 2012 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 CSW Santorini Black
If just replacing the swivel seals, why not just remove the complete swivel assy, old seal out, new seal in, assy back in and happy motoring? 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing
2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black
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Shafski



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United Kingdom 2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Montalcino Red
There’s some big mileage numbers there!

My supplying dealer replaced a top pin bearing at 28K before I picked it up. I had to replace it again at 32K as they clearly fudged it, left me a knocking on full lock and a shaky wheel!

I took the view, that if your going in.. replace all. First time in doing the job, took me a whopping 7 hours to strip all the way, replaced all bearing and seals, gaskets, cleaned all up, re-tapped threads etc. and rebuild. (Maybe I’m just slow or super OCD?)

OEM kit with ABS is doable. I used Dingocroft to supply all the parts, not the cheapest, but they were super helpful, and not a Britpart bearing in sight.. Timken all the way Thumbs Up Shafski
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2015 110 Montalcino Red Utility "Harriet" along with Puma on I.C.E
Post #1025263 20th Feb 2024 7:11am
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blackwolf



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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey
If you are doing the swivel pins, it is worth remembering that the slightly earlier design had twice the number of rollers in the bearings and is much stronger and more durable than the "value-engineered" later design. A retro-mod is well worth doing.
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HardCharger



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2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Stornoway Grey
Please do share the part numbers we should be hunting for Thumbs Up
Post #1025400 21st Feb 2024 3:13am
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geobloke



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TD5 upper swivel is number 25 on this page https://www.lrworkshop.com/diagrams/land-r...6_52607#25

TDCI upper swivel is number 4 on this page https://www.lrworkshop.com/diagrams/land-r...ng_44788#4

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blackwolf



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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey
geobloke wrote:
TD5 upper swivel is number 25 on this page https://www.lrworkshop.com/diagrams/land-r...6_52607#25


Items 7 and 12 are stronger than 25, but you may be stuffed if you have ABS (which I don't Very Happy ).
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geobloke



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ABS = Absolute Bull Sheet Rolling Eyes
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geobloke



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blackwolf wrote:
geobloke wrote:
TD5 upper swivel is number 25 on this page https://www.lrworkshop.com/diagrams/land-r...6_52607#25


Items 7 and 12 are stronger than 25, but you may be stuffed if you have ABS (which I don't Very Happy ).



Ahhhh you're saying going back to the TDI swivel pin rather than the TD5 one then... Thumbs Up
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Retroanaconda



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The 300Tdi pin you mean.

200Tdi and earlier used a proper railko bush which is stronger still!
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blackwolf



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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey
Did the 200Tdi have a steering damper on the drag link, or did the Railko bushes provide all the damping as on Series vehicles?

The idea of fitting Railko bushes to a TDCi and ditching the damper is quite appealing.
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Retroanaconda



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Still got a damper on the 200Tdi.

You can change the swivel balls and housings to the railko type and still run the later hubs etc. so that would be a good option. It’s how my 90 is built up.
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Dinnu



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Malta 2012 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 CSW Santorini Black
^^ + the benefit of having a drain plug in case you decide to fill with EP oil. 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing
2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black
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HardCharger



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blackwolf wrote:
geobloke wrote:
TD5 upper swivel is number 25 on this page https://www.lrworkshop.com/diagrams/land-r...6_52607#25


Items 7 and 12 are stronger than 25, but you may be stuffed if you have ABS (which I don't Very Happy ).


Dang! I have ABS. Sad
Post #1025552 22nd Feb 2024 4:00am
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